Internet Governance Forum 2 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 15 November 2007 Closing ceremony Note: The following is the output of the real-time captioning taken during the The 2nd Meeting of the IGF. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid to understanding the proceedings at the session, but should not be treated as an authoritative record. (Gavel.) >>NITIN DESAI: Thank you very much. We now come to the end of our event, the second IGF. On behalf of the United Nations, it's my very pleasant duty to thank the many people who have made this event possible. First and foremost, of course, I must thank the government and people of Brazil and the many people here who have been involved. The people on the organizing committee, Mr. Gadelha who is sitting here next to me, Mr. Glaser who has been going around organizing all of this, the huge effort which was put in by them into the fantastic organization of this meeting. I can tell you it's excellent for the simple reason that I am usually at the receiving end of complaints. In the past four days I haven't received a single complaint, so you must have done something very, very well. So thank you very much. [ Applause ] >>NITIN DESAI: The commitment of Brazil was not just in terms of the organizational effort. It was also in terms of the political effort. I would like to thank my co-chair, Mr. Hadil da Rocha Vianna, to Everton who is special advisor who helped us a great deal, and the many other people who have contributed to the substantive discussions we have had on this. I really do wish, on behalf of the U.N., to thank them. A meeting like the IGF of course requires a certain amount of organization, and I would like to take this opportunity of thanking the members of the advisory group. Not just for the advice that they have given to the secretary-general for the organization of the meeting, but the support they have provided to the Secretariat. In many different ways, both before the meeting and during the meeting, in actually running this whole process. You have no idea how highly qualified, what highly qualified conference officers you have had for this meeting. But they all were willing to do the most basic of tasks in order to make this meeting. So I thank them for this. There are, of course, the many others who have been involved besides the members of the advisory group in making this meeting run. The volunteers who are here, the staff who are deployed by the Brazilian host. I was very impressed by the efficiency with which the whole system here, the public address system, et cetera, has been run, and I thank them for this. From within the U.N., now I Chang on my own behalf the -- first I would like to thank Markus Kummer. Markus has been the great support of this whole IGF process, and quite frankly I wonder sometimes whether we will ever have been able to have staged this without Markus's neutrality, his objectivity, his commitment, his education, his hard work and his knowledge of the issues. So I'm sure all of you join me in thanking Markus Kummer. [ Applause ] >>NITIN DESAI: And through Markus I would also like to thank the team that works with him. Chengetai, Avri and all of the other. We have had the steady support of Daniel and Omar. Where are they? They have disappeared somewhere. They are somewhere there. And of course the whole security staff, the interpreters. And I would like to take this opportunity of thanking them. Basically the forum like -- of course I must thank the participants. Without you, we wouldn't have an IGF. We would just have a podium. So thank you very much for being here. And I am really impressed by the fact that so many of the people who came to Athens also came to Rio. And I have no doubt that most of you will also be in Delhi. And like a good businessman, I like the idea of repeat customers. Slow down. Okay. I like the idea of repeat customers. So it is good to have you people coming back, and that's always a good sign for any new shop that you open. I would have said much more about the progress of the IGF, the way we are moving. But I think we had a very good discussion, particularly today, in the taking stock session and in the emerging issues session. And it will perhaps not be necessary for me to try and repeat this. One message that I do get from all of this is that in some ways, our first phase of the IGF was focused on making people a little more comfortable with each other. And that, I think, we are succeeding. And partly the reason we are succeeding is there is a certain adjustment of cultures which has taken place. Governments have been a little more willing to accept methods of discussion which are not quite what they are used to in diplomatic processes. I believe NGOs have also learned the habits of tact, if I may say that. So they realize that this is a different type of forum. And so has industry and the Internet community and the very fact that they welcome the types of debates and discussions we have had, even though often these debates have been critical of their activities, shows that we are developing a style of conversation which does lead to what I would describe as a dialogue of good faith, where people listen to each other and don't just talk at each other. I hope we can maintain this. But we are still basically a group of people who are involved on the supply side of the Internet. The conversation needs to be expanded and so that it engages more the people who are the users of the Internet. And this, perhaps, is a challenge that we face for the future Internet. We need to look at our agenda to see how we structure it, how we talk about it. And what we can do in order to engage more fully in a dialogue with people who are not here, the people who are involved more on the user side of the Internet. But there are other conversations which are still missing, which we need to work at. I'm very hopeful of the future of this forum because all of you have invested a huge amount of political capital, your time, your effort in this whole process. And I'm pretty confident that after having invested so much of your time and effort into this process over the past two years, you are not going to abandon it. And that is the best test of a process, that it really becomes something which is owned by the people who are participating in it. And I have the feeling that this process is now fully owned by you, the participants. And that you will not allow us to distort it or modify it or change it in a manner which doesn't fit in with your expectations and needs. I would not say there is complete unanimity on everything -- on how we do things. There have been very, very valuable suggestions which have come on how we can modify the processes, what the constitution of the advisory group, the role of the advisory group. And I'm sure the United Nations will take these views very seriously in the next phase of the work of the IGF. These are a few remarks that I wanted to make. We are short of time, so I thought I would just leave it at this and end once again with the thank you to all of you for making this forum a success. I now turn to the next part of our process, which is to, if you like, a certain overall stock-taking for the -- of the second IGF. And for that we have a report on the second meeting of the Internet Governance Forum in the form of chairman's summary. Let me here stress one thing, that the record of the sessions is the verbatim record. If anybody has a problem with the summary, make your own summary. You have the verbatim record. You are free to make your own summary. That is the authentic record of the session. The summary is for lazy people like me who are not ready to read through the transcripts and who want something a little more compact. And so I would urge you to look at it in this spirit. It is not a document for debate or discussion, but I would invite Markus Kummer to present this to us before I turn to Mr. Augusto César Gadelha Vieira, who will give the closing remarks on behalf of the of the Chair of Brazil. >>MARKUS KUMMER: Thank you, Nitin. You will recall that in Athens we had the hope to have a paperless conference. But it turned out that people still like some paper to take home. So we made the effort to produce a chairman's summary, which we can distribute and which we will distribute after Mr. Gadelha has read out his concluding remarks. I will not read out the chairman's summary or he will not read out the chairman's summary, because it's a little bit too long and we don't have the time. It reflects the discussions we had over the past few days. It starts with an overview framing the meeting, has a brief description of the opening ceremony and the opening sessions, and then it has a short synthesis of each of the main sessions. As the chairman said, you may not find what you said, but it is impossible to capture everything, and the verbatim record stays on our Web site. You will see that we have not been able, of course, to finish the chapter on emerging issues. There are square brackets to be concluded, and we will conclude that. And we also have a short, generic passage on all the events that have taken place, all in all, 84 events outside the main session, which is a considerable amount. We also had the final statistics. We had over 2,100 registered participants. However, not all of them turned up, and we issued, I think, 1,363 badges of participants from 109 countries. Also, we had over 100 members of the press who attended the event. You will be able to take it home and you will see the document on our Web site as soon as the meeting is over. There are still some typos, it still needs some editing. It's not a perfect product. But will you have something to take home. And with this, I hand back to you. >>NITIN DESAI: Thank you, Markus. May I turn to Mr. Gadelha Vieira. >>AUGUSTO GADELHA VIEIRA: Thank you, Mr. Desai, Mr. Kummer. It's agreed with satisfaction that we have arrived at the end of this meeting with a sense of obligation being realized. We have tried to offer the best to all of you and to have all the infrastructure necessary to have a wonderful meeting here in Rio. This is a beautiful and wonderful city. And, believe me, it's a very sunny city. [ Laughter ] >>AUGUSTO GADELHA VIEIRA: But we had an agreement with the weather authorities that they should close the beach while we are here so that people could dedicate themselves to this event. [ Applause ] >>AUGUSTO GADELHA VIEIRA: Well, please allow me to present -- actually, I am here in the capacity of coordinator of the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee, but also the National Secretary for Information Technology Policies of Brazil. And so I'm representing here the chairman of this event, the Minister Sérgio Rezende, which, for many reasons, he couldn't attend this closing session. So please allow me to present on behalf of this chairman of the second Internet Governance Forum, Minister Sérgio Rezende, some closing remarks related to the work we have accomplished this week. The Brazilian people and government were proud to host the second meeting of the Internet Governance Forum in Rio de Janeiro in the past four days. We are honored to receive over 2,000 registrations, including representatives from governments, civil society, the private sector, international organizations, research institutes, and Internet users. The second IGF took place in an atmosphere of friendship and cooperation, in accordance with its mandate as contained in the Tunis Agenda for Information Society. The second IGF provided a space for multistakeholder debate on cross-cutting themes. It facilitated the dialogue between organizations in charge of complementary aspects of Internet governance. It identified emerging issues and brought them to the attention of the public. The intense debate and participation in main sessions, workshops, open and best-practice forums, dynamic coalitions, and other meetings confirmed the role of the IGF in shaping the governance of the Internet, with a view to contribute to the building of a people-centered, development-oriented, and inclusive information society. The second meeting of the IGF also confirmed that the format of this forum is at the forefront of multilateral policy-making and may set precedents for a renewed, upgraded style of multilateral conferences in an open, inclusive, and representative environment, with the participation of all stakeholders. It's important to build upon the experience achieved so far, with a view of exploring possible avenues for strengthening the existing Internet governance mechanisms, adding to their legitimacy to the international community in adequacy to the guiding principles of the World Summit on the Information Society. The second IGF meeting advanced on the path towards the full implementation of the mandate in terms of participation, scope, thematic agenda, organization of work, and possible results. It contributed to the incremental process that aims at accomplishing the fulfillment of the forum's mandate by 2010, at the end of the five-year period initially established by the Tunis Agenda. In terms of substance, besides the important themes of access, diversity, openness, and security, the Rio meeting contributed to broaden the debate on Internet governance by devoting a main session to the discussion on critical Internet resources and the improvement of the global mechanisms in charge of their management. In terms of organization of work, another improvement achieved in Rio was the sharing among different stakeholders of the chairmanship of main sessions. One representative from civil society chaired the main session on openness. And another from the private sector chaired the main session on security. It's also worth noting the interest of Brazilian high government officials as shown by the participation of four Brazilian ministers and a number of other authorities at the IGF events. On respect of critical Internet resources, let me note that the main session of critical Internet resources considered the conformity of existing arrangements for the management of Internet physical and logical infrastructure vis-à-vis the principles adopted by the World Summit on the Information Society. ICANN's multistakeholder decision-making process is an interesting experiment in terms of broadening the participation in decision-making processes. There are, of course, improvements to be made, as, for example, on the relationship between the Governmental Advisory Committee and the ICANN board. Governments should be allowed on equal footing to play their varying role and global public policy-making. In this respect, ICANN's ongoing reforms and their perspectives for the recommendations of ICANN as an international entity in its independence from any government should be followed with interest. On respect with diversity, the Internet offers unprecedented perspectives for the expression of cultural contents from all corners of the world, as well as for the creation, dissemination, recommendation, and diffusion of content. The conversion of this potential into reality requires that the Internet be managed for the benefit of mankind as a whole. Each individual should have the possibility to take part in the Internet in his own language, in forms that are in harmony with his or her values and cultural identity. The Internet should expand in a way that reflects in its content and addressing system the existing culture and linguistic diversity, along with the regional and local differences which characterize civilization. The particular needs of disabled people should be addressed through the creation and dissemination of specific referrals at affordable price, as well as by the adoption of accessibility standards by the industry. In respect to access, international connection costs are a burden for developing countries. In this respect, a fair environment for business competition on a global scale would contribute to an overall improvement in access conditions. Government should stimulate the establishment and the maintenance of such an environment whenever possible and take actions to correct market imperfections. If necessary, international financing arrangements should be developed to support investment in areas in which it's not commercially viable. Regional cooperation and Internet exchange points are particularly valuable resources to help reduce the demand on intercontinental backbones, thus reducing access costs. Regarding openness, freedom of expression is a fundamental human right that should be ensured and requires the free flow of information and content from diversified sources. More than any other means of communication, the Internet is capable of -- to embrace the cultural diversity and pluralism that characterize democracy. The conversion of this potential into reality requires the preservation of the open architecture features of the Internet. The new realities, possibilities, and challenges brought by the Internet should be considered in the debates on intellectual property, with particular attention to aspects such as privacy and right of information, to information and access to knowledge. Different intellectual property regimes and software licensing models translate into distinct economic perspectives in innovation and insertion in the digital economy, particularly in developing countries. As regarding security, apart from the stability of the Internet, data integrity and content reliability, user protection and the fight against cyber crime should be given utmost priority in the building of a people-centered Information Society. In this regard, the right to privacy and the due process of law should always be taken into account. Given the borderless nature of the Internet and cyber crime, international cooperation in technical legal fields are fundamental tools in cyber crimes, countering and prevention. In this sense, the possibilities of legal harmonization on cyber security should be evaluated in light of specific national priorities, and the distinct realities of the developed and developing world. Governments have a fundamental role in making of cyber space a secure environment for human interaction and should count on the help of civil society and the private sector for this purpose. There are certainly lessons to be learned and improvements to be made for the next IGF meetings. Among those improvements, I would like to stress the need for reviewing the IGF preparation process in order to allow for a broader, more balanced and more representative participation from all stakeholders, as well as from all regions of the world. It's important to bring into this process as much diversity of opinions as possible, taking into account gender balance. The criteria, nomination, rotation, proceedings, and the role of the advisory group or other structures to be used as a supporting structure to prepare and conduct the meeting could be improved. I'd like to express to you in the name of the people and the government of Brazil and of the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee, our wholeheartedly gratitude for your attendance and active participation at the second IGF in Rio de Janeiro. A special thanks goes to Mr. Nitin Desai and to Mr. Markus Kummer and staff who did not measure efforts to endure an excellent preparation of this meeting. I would also like to thank the presence of Mr. Sha Zukang, Undersecretary-General for Economic and Social Affairs of the United Nations for his attendance and personal contribution to the IGF. Last but not least, I would like to stress a recognition of the financial and logistical support the Brazil Internet Steering Committee has provided, which was crucial to the success of this event. Thank you very much to all of you [ Applause ] >>NITIN DESAI: In keeping with the multistakeholder character of this meeting, we felt it would be valuable if the closing session should also contain -- have reflections from others, all stakeholders. So let me first turn to Delphine Nana Mekounte, who is the president of the African Civil Society on the Information Society, ACSIS. >>DELPHINE NANA MEKOUNTE: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Ladies and gentlemen, it is a real pleasure for me to address this assembly on behalf of civil society. First and foremost, I should like to thank the organizers of this forum for the opportunity afforded to us. I would also like to, at the same time, I should also like to thank them for organizing this event. I thank the people and government of Brazil for their warm welcome extended to us during our stay here in Rio. My thanks also go to all of the partners who have supported the participation of civil society in these discussions, and in particular, the international organization of French-speaking countries. All of our friends worldwide have shown solidarity in advocacy and lobbying to ensure the participation of developing countries civil society in the IGF, as was also done for the deliberations of the WSIS. I would like to thank in particular the Congo, thank you very much to your colleagues for that support. All governments in particular and the governments of developing countries specifically that included representatives of civil society in their country delegations also receive our thanks for doing so. That inclusion helps to strengthen the multistakeholderism which is one of the principles adopted in Geneva in 2003. Civil society welcomed its participation in this second Internet Governance Forum which is now coming to its end here in Rio, Brazil. We welcome the convening of the forum, and we intend to continue to participate in the future editions that will take place in New Delhi in 2008 and Egypt in 2009. Further, through Internet governance -- sorry, in Internet governance the civil societies were worried about the rising cyber crime, about the needs to ensure freedom of expression, the digital divide between the countries of the north and the south, critical internet resources and access. Access is a very important issue for developing countries, as is, indeed, is respect for linguistic diversity. Of course, civil society welcomed the commitment by all to the gradual establishment of the new Information Society, but that new Information Society requires new governance in order to make Internet accessible to all. To speak of Africa, African countries cannot be left behind in this revolution. It must be a pluralist, transparent, democratic revolution. That is why ACSIS, in accordance with the initiatives we have taken involving all stakeholders, has proposed an agenda for African priorities in Internet governance. This study will be submitted to the next forum in New Delhi in 2008. In light of the forgoing we would recommend once again to the United Nations in general and the Secretariat in particular to pay special attention to strengthening arrangements for granting fellowships to people from civil society and developing countries, and to the granting visas of developing countries' nationals in order to facilitate even more the physical participation -- let me repeat that, the physical participation of representatives from civil societies and developing countries in the various IGFs. We need to strengthen linguistic diversity. In this connection, the working documents need to be translated into the United Nations languages without any exception. And also, the audio system has to be interpreted starting with the Web site of the IGF itself. We need to strengthen the multistakeholder interaction between governments, the private sector and the civil society. We need to make the committees of the IGF more efficient and more effective. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Chair, that is the essence of the message from civil society. Thank you very much for your kind attention [ Applause ] >>NITIN DESAI: We will now go to Mr. Peter Eduardo Siemsen of the international Chamber of Commerce. >>PETER EDUARDO SIEMSEN: Thank you. Good afternoon authorities, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Peter Eduardo Siemsen. I am very pleased to be here today speaking on behalf of the members of the international Chamber of Commerce and its BASIS initiative, business action to support the Information Society. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share our impressions of this year's IGF as we look forward to next year in India. The BASIS members who are here in Brazil are representative of a large business community. The international Chamber of Commerce is the world business organization with hundreds of thousands of member companies and associations in over 130 countries from all sectors. BASIS represents companies and associations which include members beyond the ICC, many of whom are here in Brazil this week. BASIS develops business priorities and positions drawing on the expertise of its members, and engages with other stakeholders. It is important to note that there are many members who are unable to be in Rio, and we will be taking the message from this IGF back to them. Business has a fundamental role in the continuing development of the Internet. Nurturing this role at the national, regional and international levels is essential to our common objectives of bringing the benefits of the Internet and the Information Society to a global audience. We are pleased to see an increase in business participation at this year's IGF, which reflects our commitment to multistakeholder dialogue. It is wonderful for business to take part in this process. And being from Brazil, I am proud of my country hosting this event. It is exciting to see the world coming to Brazil for these vital discussions. This has been a great experience for me personally. Having been involved with the ICC for many years, this is my first opportunity to attend the Internet Governance Forum and be a part of the discussions. As ICC's secretary-general Guy Sebban highlighted in his opening remarks, ICC and BASIS members support the IGF because it provides a unique opportunity to exchange views and best practices on a wide variety of important policy and practical issues. We believe such dialogue is essential to bringing the economic and social benefits of the Internet to more people. The strength of this new model of international cooperation is convening all stakeholders on an equal footing. So, what has been achieved this week? This event has contributed to the fulfillment of the IGF mandate arrived at in Tunis. We have worked together to share experiences regarding important Internet governance-related issues that can only be effectively addressed by cooperative efforts of all actors. We have seen a rising tide of consciousness with regard to security through collaborations, and preventing abuse of the Internet. We particularly welcome the discussions on child protection and look forward to constructive doll log with other interested parties in the near future. We have underscored the vital importance of establishing an enabling environment which promotes investment, fosters entrepreneurship, and stimulates innovation. Key factors of this environment are: Strengthened cooperation on developing Internet infrastructure; expanded Internet access; pro-competitive policy frameworks; liberalization, and protection of intellectual property rights. We have highlighted that as the Internet and Internet applications continue to evolve to an accelerating pace, we must ensure that policy approaches do not block innovation or restrict user choice. We have also heard through the discussions this week how much important all of us place on innovative applications and service that are allowing people to share more information and promote cultural diversity. It is, however, important to remember that to maximize the opportunities that these new applications and services provide, they must be supported by access and skills resulting from training and education. Without literacy and computer skills beginning in schools and continuing throughout a person's career, people cannot maximize their use of the Internet. We have seen the positive effect that public Internet access has had here in Brazil through access initiatives in small towns. This week we have seen a mature and graduated discussion from those in Athens a year ago. The diversification of events has resulted in enhanced cooperation between the different stakeholders with a common understanding of the priorities going forward. ICC/BASIS plans to contribute our reflections on the important discussions that taken place in Rio for the record, and we understand other stakeholders plan to do the same. Business believes that IGF this week has been beneficial in a tangible way that will have long lasting benefits for all. As we leave Rio, we all need to reflect on our experience and look at how we can build on these to progress to the next level of understanding in India in 2008. Thank you [ Applause ] >>NITIN DESAI: I turn to our last speaker, Matthew Shears of the intellectual property intellectual property in the Internet society. >>MATTHEW SHEARS: Thank you, Chair. Ladies and gentlemen, a challenge being last in the day. It's a great honor to be here as a speaker at the closing ceremony. My name is Matthew sheers. I'm with the Internet Society. And I've lead the Internet Society's engagement with the IGF since the forum's inception, and I'm also a member of the advisory group. I'd like to extend the thanks of the Internet community to the Brazilian hosts and the United Nations, and commend the excellent work of the Internet Governance Forum secretariat. I'd like to make some brief comments, first on Rio, then on Delhi, but I'd preface that with a couple of words about our community. The Internet community has supported, contributed to, and participated in the WSIS, the IGF, since their beginnings. Yet our commitment to sharing the Internet and the benefits of this technology with the whole world, regardless of race, color, politics, nationality, or any other differentiation among human beings or nations, predates the WSIS. At the Internet Society, we have been working to expand the reach of the Internet since 1992. The Internet community's goals and actions are consistent with the output documents of the WSIS and the principles and the purposes embodied in them. This community's engagement with all stakeholders in Rio is yet another clear indication of our commitment to multistakeholderism. We have organized workshops across stakeholders and sponsored speakers from around the globe. We have had productive discussions with governments, international organizations, civil society, and the private sector, all with the aim of pursuing our common objective of increasing the availability of and access to the Internet. We have all had a very productive four-plus days. The diversity of the sessions, the workshops, open forums, best practices forums, and, of course, the main panels has been truly rewarding. In fact, I would imagine that you've all suffered from the same challenge I have, which is where to choose and where to go. Fortunately, I found there were some strategically placed snacks along the hallways that gave us the energy to go to the many sessions without falling over from exhaustion. We have seen in Rio the continuation of this unique multistakeholder model in action. We have seen yet again the value of frank discussion on a range of important issues to the future of the Internet. Rio has reinforced the importance of a dynamic and collaborative experience-sharing environment. The workshops are a true embodiment of this. We have had a robust discussion across the range of issues encompassed in the new theme area of critical Internet resources. The main panel highlighted the issues, but the workshops dug into them and gave all stakeholders an opportunity to discuss the issues in greater depth. The Internet community welcomes this dialogue and hopes that it will encourage further engagement by all stakeholders in the open policy development processes of the Internet organizations. So now we are on to Delhi, with the cumulative experience of IGF Athens and IGF Rio. I'd like to make one or two observations. Part of the IGF's purpose is to engage broadly across stakeholders and across regions. The ability to reach beyond the physical confines of an IGF is an expectation. Remote participation is therefore an essential tool. Yet, there was but one, one question for the access panelists through the remote channels at this IGF. This is not a criticism of the IGF Rio infrastructure, but this should cause us to think about how we make this event ever more relevant to those who do not have the wherewithal to attend in person. We must shape the IGF to encourage greater and more diverse participation. If we fail in this respect, the IGF will have failed. The IGF can undoubtedly evolve further, and I think we can all agree on this. However, there is, in true multistakeholder fashion, a diversity of views as to how it should evolve. We are of the firm belief that the IGF can evolve so it brings greater value to participants without becoming burdened by further processes and structure. Undoubtedly, there are some important issues that need to be addressed before Delhi. But they should not undermine this grand experiment. Defining success is always difficult for these types of events. It should not be measured by whether or not we can tick the boxes in the mandate, but, rather, by understanding how the main sessions, the workshops, and the best practices forums resonate with the participants and bring about change. Let me give you a very concrete example. Yesterday, after the workshop on the root server system and after the best practices forum on Internet exchange points, some government representatives approached the speakers, asking how they could go about installing root server instances and Internet exchange points in their countries. That, I would say, is success. And if those expressions of interest result in concrete actions back home, then the IGF will have had the type of impact we have been hoping for. This is what we should be seeking to build on for Delhi. Finally, I'd like to quote the Secretary-General of the United Nations, who said in his in his opening statement read by the undersecretary-General, quote, "This forum is modest in its means, but not in its aspirations. It may have no power to make decisions, but it can inform and inspire those who are in a position to make them." Ladies and gentlemen, we must keep these words in mind as we take the IGF forward. Let us build on Rio and work together to create an IGF in Delhi that will inform and inspire all participants. Thank you. [ Applause ] >>NITIN DESAI: Thank you. Thank you very much, Matthew. Let me say that we now come to the end. For those of you who have not had enough, you can sit down and read the full transcript of the proceedings. And I particularly want to thank the two scribes. I don't know how they do it. But they manage to get everything down on paper, and it does help us enormously, because it liberates us from the process of having to negotiate the summary. There's no need. I really do want to thank them for this exercise. [ Applause ] >>NITIN DESAI: There was a certain -- I'm glad Matthew spoke last. But, you know, the Internet community has always been a little worried that this whole IGF -- started being worried that the IGF was about governments wanting to take over the Internet or something like that. And I wanted to share with you just as we get to the end, the possibility that the reverse could happen. Sometime back, there was a competition of headlines 20 years from now. And the prize-winning headline was, "Government computer resigns." And that's more likely to be the truth than what you people are worried about. With this, the second IGF, the second townhall meeting of the Internet community, comes to an end. (Gavel.) [ Applause ]