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IGF 2019 – Day 2 – Convention Hall I-D – OF #9 Strengthening Digital Ecosystem for Better Digital Inclusion - RAW

The following are the outputs of the real-time captioning taken during the Fourteenth Annual Meeting of the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Berlin, Germany, from 25 to 29 November 2019. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid to understanding the proceedings at the event, but should not be treated as an authoritative record. 

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>> MODERATOR:  It is an honor and pleasure to act as a Moderator for this esteemed panel featuring His Excellency, Indonesia Minister of Communication of Technology, Johnny Medlan Merdeka, Mr. Anil, the President Director of telecommunication and information much Indonesia, Rihja, Locu, Macabar, or SIBERKREASI, which is a nationwide movements, and Nan, community organizers and development advisor.  So, this is the order in which they will speak.

     The purpose of this open forum is to discuss how we can strengthen the digital ecosystem, for instance through ensuring the availability of high speed Internet access, providing digital literacy education program and developing platforms and applications that conform to our information privacy and security standards, to support the realization of digital inclusion.

     And, that is to ensure that information and communication technologies or ICTs would provide opportunities for the well‑being of people around the world, especially in Developing Countries, like Indonesia, and among the groups that have been historically marginalized, such as poor people, people of color, immigrants, and indigenous peoples, all of whom confront social and economic injustice.

     So, each speaker will speak to this topic for five to seven minutes, and I will keep time to ensure that all of you in the room, not just the panelists, will get a chance to speak, so that we can keep the open forum as interactive as possible.

     And please, I invite you to sit closer to the mic so that you can easily make your intervention.

     Without further ado I give the floor to His Excellency Minister, Johnny Gerald Plate, who will deliver the first opening statement followed by opening statements by other panelists. 

     >> Thank you, air in.  Distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon.

     As I have already mentioned at my opening remarks Indonesia is not only building new parts, toll roads or airport, in add dis to the existing digital infrastructure, which is 330,000 kilometer length of fiber optics, 120,000 of BTS and five telecommunication satellites, the government of Indonesia also, and we are also building a fiberoptic extension, network, thousands of BTS in the remote area, and three more multi-functional satellites to fulfill the nation digital infrastructure demand.

     Many provinceS that were once underdeveloped are now benefiting from mobile and broadband access.  By 2024, remote areas of the Arpalago will benefit from high speed Internet at least 10 mega bites per second.

     First infrastructure development has left Indonesia well equipped to become digital nation.

     This is the essence of digital inclusion.  We are ensuring that every Indonesians has access to high speed Internet, has access to education programs on digital literacy, to facilitate the adoptions of new skills and technologies.

     We are ensuring that every Indonesian has access to apps or online service platform that improve their lives.

     In 2013 when Indonesia hosted the IGN in Bali, moved the stakeholder became the guiding norms of the digital system.  Digital literacy is not catching up in time, as some of 100 million Indonesians are set to own a smart known by 2021.  Indonesia also has a very young population, one‑third of our population.  We therefore must teach our young generation to only access digital con ten that is appropriate for them.  This 11 able them to create to use digital content in purposeful ways.

     By 2035, the demand of digital talent not less than 110 million digital talents.  Indonesian government has to do all the possible ways to meet the demand by way of cyber national movements, digital talent scholarship and the digital leadership academy.  Distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen, the government of Indonesia encourage the government institution in Indonesia that tell co‑counterpart as well as platforms and apps provider to hand in hand to make as high number of digital talent demand.

     We encourage Indonesians to prepare themself to the use of Internet for their own benefit absmart and clever user.

     The use of the Internet and the traffic within the Internet, Indonesian people must understand their rights and obligations in one side and the government has to make sure its duty to bring the situation to normal in case of civil disorder in the community.

     In short, Indonesia digital infrastructure, Internet system is for the benefit for every Indonesian, for they're con me, social education, and culture on their day‑to‑day living, and for Indonesian national interest.

     Thank you for your kind attention.  I look forward to many fruitful discussion within this open forum.

     Thank you.

     (Applause)

     >> MODERATOR:  Thank you, Mr. Plate.

     The next speaker will be Mr. Anang Latif. 

     >> Anang Latif:  Thank you.  Good afternoon.  Distinguished excellency, Mr. Johnny P, and ICT, distinguished speakers, guests.  Let me inform you a bit of detail about what already spoken by minister that we start from knowing about Indonesia.  Is there a slide?  No.

     Yeah.  As you already know, maybe some of you might not yet know Indonesia is 260 million people are in Indonesia, and also the largest Country more than 70,000 islands of Indonesia.

     I am in charge of Balti, part of ministry, ICT, which is possible for providing accessibility, providing not only connectivity, but as well as to prepare ecosystem, yeah, for society, as well, and we are working ‑‑ we are funded by the, we call it USO contributions with coming from the gross revenue of telecom communication operators.

     Imagine that Indonesia is a big ship that we, our role is to make sure that everyone in Indonesia should be in board in term of telecommunication, in term of Internet facility.

     We were starting in 1999 that we just at a time issued the new regulation telecommunication level, which was 20 years ago, that draw of deploying telecommunication surface will be the responsibility of the private sector, as well as the enterprise; however, since our enterprise detail were privatize, that the government, since 2006 was responsible for deploying especially in the area which are not visible buy the business, but the progress was very slow until 2016 that we are starting a huge project, we call it Palapa Ring.  Palapa Ring was the fiberoptic network connects all cities, connects all municipalities ‑‑ okay.  Thank you ‑‑ around the Country that around more than 500 citizen municipals around the Country that now the project was completed since August 2019, that broadband surfaces is already deployed around the countries.

     You can see from the map that since 2017 this is the network deployed by the commercial operators.  They are focusing on the biggest island, like Sumatra and a small island like Jive island.  They didn't deploy until the eastern part of Indonesia, that is why when we develop Palapa Ring, you can see that we are focusing the eastern part of Indonesia.  We have to enter a market with the operator.  Don't access at the moment.  Yeah.

     This is how the roadmap how we try to infrastructure in order to deploy broadband services until the felix level.

     In 2019 we just finish our first start which deployed a fiberoptic network around cities, and 2020 we are targeting deploying 40 surfaces until reaching all villages around Indonesia.

     As we are aware now, we have around more than 80,000 villages around the countries.

     In 2023, we are also targeting having a new satellite broadband satellite, 30 high frequent satellite which can profile into high speed Internet services around the Country.  So, there will be 150 though sites comprises of schools, office, as well as the health center around the countries can have broadband services.  It means that all the digital connectivity, yeah, reaching until schools, as I said before, could be deployed pie the satellite.  We call it ‑‑ which will be deployed in 2023. 

     2024, we are also preparing another second and third satellite to provide full service broadband, reaching more than 30 mega bit per second per location.

     Not only that, we start to develop new ecosystem to utilize the broadband infrastructure.  We believe that we cannot work alone.  We have to having corporation with other ministry, having operation with University, as well as the movement status to maximize all potential that already brought by our infrastructure.

     We already had many corporation with all ministries, including office of education to provide services in education.  Corporation with the Ministry of Health providing services, broadband services until reaching health center at the level, corporation with the ministry of finance to deliver some, like, credit program, micro credit programs, yeah, corporation with Minister of fishery, as well as ministry of enter welfare to make sure that the beneficial of the broadband can be utilized by all people around the Country.

     This is what we call digital transformation that we already start.  We are focusing on the village level.  We also education how the people in the village can accept ‑‑ can adopt a culture, digital culture in very simple way.  When they come, yeah, we educate some, like, licensing, some, like, public services, yeah.

     We also profiled some we call it's electoral extermination during this period of study period.

     This is how we also combine with our SDG goal that we have direct impact, also as well as the indirect impact.

     This is how we work together, yeah, with all components, all stakeholders to make sure that not only infrastructure, but how ecosystem can benefit, can maximize the benefit of digital.

     Thank you very much.

     >> MODERATOR:   Thank you, Anang.

     The next speaker is from Google Indonesia. 

     >> Good afternoon, his excellencely.  Indonesia's ICT Minister, distinguished speakers, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen.  Thank you for the opportunity.  Pry name is Rijan, I'm public policy manager from Google Indonesia, so I'm really pleased to be here today because of the sheer belief that technology and innovation can accelerate the change.  And, that everyone should have equal access to digital economy.

     So, let me take this ton tee to share a little bit of our efforts to improve digital inclusion and digital literacy using best practices again from Indonesia.

     So, at Google, we basically want to help ensure everyone, for everyone has the opportunity to grow, also do something great through technology, and to do this in Indonesia, we've been working together with lots of stakeholders.  Could be like the government in this case, the ministry and other ministries in Indonesia, the local CSOs, the local NGOs, local businesses, to expand access to information, to expand access to the Internet, and also to advance digital skills and literacy and opportunities for everyone.

     So, when it comes to access, I think all of us agreed that the Internet gives people knew ways to obtain information, access to services, and even earn a living, right, but unfortunately in many places, simply getting online is also a challenge.  Mobile and Wi‑Fi connections sometimes are expensive, and also, like, limited, especially in remote areas.

     So, while the digital economy continues to boom, it is also critical that everyone has access.  Everyone needs to get access to fast and secure Internet connection.

     So, in order to address it, while we are very glad that the Indonesian government has also boosted the Internet connectivity through developing initiative at Google we also launched a program called Google Station which is our initiative to provide a free and fast Internet access for public in open spaces.  And, this station is already launch in a number of countries, and in Indonesia itself we have installed more than 200 Google Station.  The goal is simple.  It is to bring the full speed Internet access and open Internet to as many people as possible.  And, that is one, the first step, right, access.

     So, when we get the access, what is next?

     The second round is actually to advance digital skills of the people.  So, when it comes to digital literacy, when there is Internet already in a Country, people need to get smart decision when they go on‑line, and our goal at Google has been to help maximize the best of what technology has to offer while minimizing the risks.

     So, we want everyone, could be parents, teachers, students, educators, to have, like, the knowledge they need so that they can make smart and responsible choices online.  That is why we invest heavily in digital literacy programs digital resources to help build digital citizens.

     In Indonesia, for example, to ensure everyone has the tools, to ensure everyone has the knowledge they need to make smart decision online, we created a campaign called Smart School Online that was executed by three partners, ICT watch, and Indonesia foundation.  They went to several professionses in Indonesia.  We have 30 and we went to almost 14 cities to train marginalized people on digital literacy.  So not only we work with NGOs and local CSO, we also work with the government and also local networks to basically to ensure, you know, the execution of the program becomes realized like perfectly.

     So, what basically they did, these three NGOs went to Indonesia to deliver in person and in‑school programs to help teens, parents, educators, to understand best practices foreign gauging with the online world, explaining how to protect their information online, how to avoid scams, how to fight cyber bullying, and also how to spot, like, this information easily with products that are free on‑line.

     So, they also develop a digital literacy model that has been localized to meet with the local interests, and have distributed all the literacy model to almost 60,000 school community in Indonesia, but then we also realize that not everyone can access the materials on the ground, so to overcome this challenge we created a website, so people, wherever they r they can download the materials for free.  The materials how to fight against bullying, how to stand up against people who always, like, giving you bad comments on Internet.  How to verify facts easily by using Google products.  We want to make sure highly localized to meet local interests.

     And, this creativity and collaboration is a model that we believe we need more of.  Not only in Indonesia, but also across the globe.  That is why I would like to also thank our partners, our NGO partners for being an inspiring example for this.

     So, saw part from smashing go digital literacy movement together with the movement made by the government, we are also committed to ensuring that local SMBs, small, medium businesses can experience the benefits of the Internet.

     So, on this note we also created the free digital scaling program for local SMBs, and basically empowering them with the right skills and tools to drive in digital economy.

     Not stopping there, we also like focusing on educating women entrepreneurs to grow and get the benefits of the Internet.  Local SMBs become very important sectors, especially Indonesia, because they contribute to over half of Indonesian's GDP, and research met by our third‑party says that SMBs who go on‑line, they actually can experience up to 80% higher growth in their revenue, that is why knowing this fact we have narrowed our focus to helping entrepreneurs get their business online, as well, and to date in Indonesia itself we have trained more than 1.5 million businesses SMBs to go on‑line, and we set another ambitious goal to train another million by the end of next year.

     Not only SMBs, parents, educators, we also like focusing on developers that are using more than technology to reach their fullest potential.  These programs, all the digital literacy skills, training, are now part of a global initiative at Google called Grow with Google which can be accessed by anyone.

     So, to conclude, I think my point is that I want to emphasize the importance of multistakeholder collaboration here to strengthen digital consist tans for better digital inclusion.

     The smart school on‑line program I mentioned before, for example, was well executed because of incredible collaboration amongst stakeholders, which is in this case the private sector, the government, the local CSOs, and also like local communities.  And, we have also learned that in some countries local contents and community leveled case is huge part of the culture, and we really hope that we can continue to support it more.

     Thank you.

     (Applause)

     >> MODERATOR:  Thank you, Rijah.

     I give the floor to Josie. 

     >> Okay.  Good afternoon everyone.  His Excellency, Mr. Jonie.  Actually I'm a little bit nervous because this is my first time doing this.  I think everyone's first time.  Your first time, too? 

     >> No.  I'm supporting you. 

     >> Yeah.  Thank you very much.  I'm trying my best to deliver it in English, because I prefer to sing, actually, than doing this.  But I believe this is for the best of us, and for making the better digital governance for all of us.

     So, I'm from Indonesia.  I'm the head of SIBERKREASI, it is a national movement on digital literacy, and actually this is quite intimidating.  I'm hoping I'm not spelling something wrong.  And, we are a forum at 2017 going back to the history, I remember the day there was in Indonesia is an area for the Jacarta election for Google natorial, in the era we find in the social Mead did yaw and Internet the growing of negative content and hate speech and cyber bullying, but the other side of the coin, it's also motivate us to form the movement.

     So, SIBERKREASI, yeah, SIBERKREASI is a movements that, including the member of 103 ‑‑ okay.  We have 103 members.  There are CSOs, business sectors, communities, and media, and also we have around 70 content creator, such as YouTubers or gig account, social media, and we are agreeing to collaborate in the name of SIBERKREASI.  It was intended to be an umbrella for the community base and grass root movement on digital literacy.

     So, we, our activities is not only digital literacy, we also trying to make all the creators or contents creators in contents Indonesia involving in the digital literacy, because we need positive content also can support in making the good behavior for the nation, for the people in the social media.

     And, we have a lot of activities in Indonesia.  We have school centers.  This activity is we going to places, to cities in Indonesia and we talk to the audience mostly college and University, talk about we have a workshop seminar, talk about how to make a good content, and we also equip them with the skills and tell them to do a project.  Usually it's a positive content project.

     Also we have yearly activities, such as SIBERKREASI Netizen Fair, conference and in the Netizen Fair we have these SIBERKREASI awards.  So, we are trying to make the appreciation system for the content creator, so they are ‑‑ they feel appreciated because of their making a positive content.

     I know, I don't know in your Country, is it the same problem or not, but in Indonesia, content creator, they don't really interested in making positive content, because it doesn't give them any subscribers and viewers.  So, we need to appreciate them more, because the only appreciation they get is from the YouTube is by the subscribers.  They get the silver button, gold button, and et cetera, so in the SIBERKREASI award we pay attention for their content and commitment and then we give them award for that.  That is in a Netizen fair.

     Also, there is a lot of activities.  This SIBERKREASI is the one that we are going to develop on the 2020 because the members, every member of SIBERKREASI has contents, and we believe that we can be used to help the digital literacy, and we are going to put that on our website, that is why we are working on our website right now.  We are fixing it.  So, the website can have the ability to perform the SIBERKREASI TV.

     So, this is our achievements and appreciations.  Yeah.  We have, like I said before, 103 members.  We have already reached 462 locations with digital literacy program.  And, we have 4,500 digital Scout has been appointed to become a digital literacy volunteer.

     194,000 active participants that we have reached through the digital literacy.  And, we also making this digital literacy series of books that can be downloaded for free in our websites, and it's already been downloaded for 182,000 times.  So, and also we already receive 75 million Indonesian Netizen education and outreach through the mainstream media and social media.

     The achievement is we have national level awards from the mark Plus as an Indonesian endorsements.  We are also a champion by the international telecommunication union.

     So, this is the pillar.  Digital con ten and lifestyle, digital parenting, digital economy, digital governance, digital talent, research and curriculum development.  Research and curriculum development, we are trying to make a model so everyone who is the member of SIBERKREASI can have this model to be ‑‑ to use ‑‑ they can use it to the activities or their own activities.  So, we have the same one.  The same way to do the digital literacy.

     This also, we also preparing for curriculum for school.  So, every student in Indonesia can have the digital literacy in their school.

     We are preparing for that, and we also ‑‑ you can see as the digital content and lifestyle, this is ‑‑ this community, we need to maintain that, because we believe through the video and through the creative content we can make a very effective education and also a very interesting way to deliver a digit at the literacy.

     Can we play one of the videos for an example?  Maybe.  Yeah.  This one is for, against, to understand a hoax and not to share things.

     (Video closed captioned)

     >> Dedy Permadi:  That just an example.  You can check on it our website.

     So, we believe, like, the millenials, they don't have that long focus attention when it comes to digital literacy so we need no have a creative way to tell them and teach them how to behave and how to react to the news, to the hoax, and to the hate speech and cyber bullying also.

     So, that's, I think that's about it.  Thank you very much.  I'm looking forward to the questions.

     (Applause)

     >> MODERATOR:  Thank you, now I give the floor to Nana. 

     >> Good evening everyone.  Thank you very much for inviting me.

     Could you please go back to the one but last slide, the one that had the pillars.

     Can we have the presentation back?  That one.  Yes.  That is it.

     Okay.  Can you look at this slide for a minute.  Digital contents and lifestyle is a man, digital economy is a man, digital governance is a man, digital talent is a man, but fake news and hoax and digital parenting are women.  I just want you to notice that as you go along, and this is one of the reasons, I don't know why you invited me, but I hope you are not going to regret it.

     Can you change that?  Can you add a man and a woman in all places, because parenting is for both of us, lifestyle is for both of us, digital economy, everybody is part of it, governance is not a man's issue and talents are everywhere, and men also tell lies online.  All right.

     So, I want to begin with that.

     I see Madam moderator ‑‑

     (Applause)

     >> Yeah.  Yeah.  I see that our time is fast spent.  I would like to call your attention on two things, because we are talking about inclusion.

     Yesterday in the big session on inclusion I was speaking about meaningful connectivity.  I have a particular interest on Indonesia, because it's a big diverse Country and because it is a wide one and it is very important that Indonesia issues leadership in one or two things.  So, I'm not going to make a presentation, I'm going to be asking questions.

     One, I said I would say two things.  The first thing I want to talk about is meaningful connectivity for Indonesians for the 260 million of them, and the other thing I have questions on is the civic space that allows citizens to thrive.

     So, on the first part, on meaningful connectivity, I want to know, how much does data cost?  Do Indonesians have enough data on their phone, and how much does it cost?  How much is one gigabyte per data in Indonesia?

     This is very important, because as I said earlier on, the one for two principle has been adopted by the alliance fora forward able Internet and the UN broadband commission that one gigabyte of data that can last you for one month should not cost you more than 2% of the average income in that place.  So, on the question of data, I want to know how much does it cost to have one gigabyte that will last you for one month?

     What is the speed?  What is the quality of service?  Because for island countries or a Country as big as Indonesia, quality of service matters a lot.  What is happening in Country with the speed of connectivity, how well are the services?  How well are people au tended to when they have issues?  Whether they are in Jakarta or in Bali or in other small places.

     How frequently can people connect?  Mr. Minister, before I came to this session, I was in another meeting with Civil Society organizations who fight Internet shutdowns, and there have been Internet shutdowns in Indonesia this year.  You know that.

     How do you get to the decision of shutting down the Internet?  Do we have discussions?  Do we as citizens ‑‑ is that the last resort or is this something that is getting regular and upstream?  I'm talking about frequency of Internet shutdowns in Indonesia.

     What is the taxation like?  I'm happy to invite anyone who wants to see work that you have done on taxation, because devices, appropriate devices coupled with good undisrupted Internet connectivity and adequate speed and affordable connectivity is what makes for meaningful connectivity.  So, if you want to bundle all of that in one question, it will be how meaningful is the connectivity that allows for inclusion of the 260 million who live over in thousands of islands.  How are the people developing themselves with this?

     I saw the slides on those who are 2G connected, 3G connected and 4G connected.  I must as a matter of honesty tell us that 2G is dead and buried.  It's not a technology for today.  It's not a technology for tomorrow.  So, maybe we should stop saying that those who have 2G, you can't do anything with 2G connectivity.  So, we need to move beyond that.

     So, those are my questions that I'm hoping you will not regret bringing me here, but it's good we speak to those issues.  I'm happy that you can say what is happening well, but we are also here to ask you questions about things that are not going the way they should.

     So, how meaningful is connectsive it tee and how inclusive is this working out really on the ground?

     On the civic space, I very much love what Google does, generally, however, when you give digital education, when somebody is equipped and the young person says now I can do so many things, now I can blog, now I can have a space online to express myself, is there the security and the self assurance and the respect of basic rights that allows the citizen to use the Internet in the way that is good?  I will take that question again.  After you've got connected, after you have all of these things, do you have the social right, do you have the basic rights, do you have the Social Security to be able to exploit them to use the knowledge to be able to develop yourself in such a way that your rights are respected online and off line.

     Two days ago (?)  Launched a contract for the web.  Talked about responsibilities for government, industry and citizens, and as we move along, we are looking for countries who show that they are resolute in making it work in sloughs I have, E‑government is a one way traffic, but digital governance is combining what if you do.  It's not just citizens to citizens or government to citizens, it's going to be an ecosystem, and from what I see, there is a drive to make that happen, however, my question is:  What is your target?  When do you want to get all Indonesians connected?  When will their connectivity be meaningful and when do we have the social right, the rights and the economic drive balanced?

     I will stop so far.  I didn't do a presentation.  I asked a lot of questions.  Just in case you don't get an opportunity while we're still here you will have more.

     Thank you very much for inviting me. 

     >> MODERATOR:   Thank you, Nana for the question.

     So, I will, since we need to keep time, so I let the Minister answer first and then go down the line. 

     >> Minister:  Thank you, Nana.

     First of all, I must inform you that Indonesia now become the third largest democracy Country in the world.  Really respect civil rights, and we do everything that we can do to support the civil rights.

     We are teaching Indonesian people to understand, not only rights that they have, they also have the obligations to make sure that their rights are well protected by themself and by the Governments.  In case of disobedience, civil disobedience, what should you do?  What should the government do?  In case of civil disorder, what should government do?  A government has to stand and ensure the disobedience and the disorder has to be brought back to normal.  So, we do not shutdown, but really just the speed to make sure that some people that when their civil rights are protected also may be supported by governments.

     We have been putting billions of dollars for the investment of the digital infrastructure.  You ask how this connect to the people.  Please bear in mind Indonesian is a very, very big Country.  London to Rome.  North to South of Indonesia.  Six hours is the best flight.  Yeah.  You've been there.  You can see that Indonesia consists of 17,000 islands.  We have to connect the 17,000 islands through the digital infrastructure.  Fiberoptics, land and sea, BTS, satellites, we will extend another 8,000 kilometer length of the 33,000 fiberoptics that has been in place.  We will put thousands of BTS more out of the 120,000 BTS which is now in place.

     We will put three more satellites, put satellites out of five that now telecommunication satellites that's already in service.

     It takes multi billions of dollars, and by 2024, we do hope in the very remote area of Indonesia the Internet speed at least at 10 megabytes per second, and by 3035, 30 mega bites per second.  In so doing, we hope that the farmers, the fishermen, the SMEs, the ulta micro businesses can be connected to the marketplace.  That is how we improve our Indonesian people, to increase their GDP.  Indonesia as of today is No. 6 highest income per capita.  So, we do all things to protect Indonesians right for their economic, for their education, for their social life, and for their culture life, as well we protect Indonesian national interest.

     Thank you.

     >> MODERATOR:   Thank you.

     Now I will give the opportunity to Mr. Anang to respond. 

     >> Anang Latif:  Okay.  Thank you.  I just want to more to answer the question regarding the price.

     Indonesia is one of the cheapest price of the quartile, Internet quartile.  To have one gigabyte quartile, we have to pay less than $1, U.S. dollar every month.  Yeah.  And, meaningful about the broadband, connectivity, since the last five years that we already starting digitaly cannot me, it was starting from cities, but it was growing very fast, our tasks, Minister to make sure that in 2020 the 4G services also reaching the (?)  So we can bring the digital economy into the level of ‑‑ into the village level.

     Thank you.

     >> MODERATOR:   Thank you.  And, Mr. Sasy, would you like to respond to the slide?  No.

     Ryan, would you like to respond?

     In which case, then, I will open to the floor.  Are there any questions?  Yes, sir, please go ahead.  And, you next.

     Yeah.

     >> AUDIENCE:  Hi.  My name is Harris and I'm from Pakistan universal stand.  I have a couple of questions regarding the Indonesian telecom model of the

     As I just looked at the presentation, a lot of money spent on the (?)  Today is for the digital side of the economy.  My first question would be is it a subsidy base, and if it is subside de‑base, how long the subsidy has been provided for?

     Secondly, you also mentioned in the next couple of years you will be deploying a lot of satellites.  Is deploying satellites a cheaper way, or I thought because of the location, like it's on the island or something where optic fiber is not accessible or not easy to deploy, so I've got these two questions, if you can address it.  Thank you.

     >> MODERATOR:   Thank you.  And, please go ahead. 

     >> AUDIENCE:  Sorry.  Hello.  My name is Felice, from Netherlands.  I'm working for the informant securities.  I would like to ask Mr. Minister, and also from the cyber creation and Google.  So, basically I'm focused with for Mr. Minister, nowadays in Europe we are talking about the 5G, and then yesterday we discuss about the effect of the 5G itself in the implement, and is there any study from the Minister to see if the high speed Internet into the implement or the social, and then what is the effect?  For example, for the young kid, they have very access to Internet, so is there any, like, regulation, like which age they can, like, access the Internet and to prevent them from cyber bully.

     For the cyber creation, cyber (Laughter) I'm sorry, so it's very interesting to hear of a (?)  But I don't see about the improvements here do you also working for the implement issue because you know we concern about the small and the Wi‑Fi in Indonesia and many things, and how about disaster, are you also working on that?  Especially your (?)  So do you also encourage young people to be, you know, more aware about disaster, because Indonesia, very sensitive with disaster, also.

     And I'm not really familiar about cyber bullying in Indonesia look like really worse, according to your advertisements, so do you use your campaign also to focus with the improvement, because now Indonesia in the world it looks like a (?)  About the wildfire, and also for Google itself, your focus with the cyber bully material.  How about another material like implement tal material, and can they download it and read it off line?

     I don't think all of the islands in Indonesia can access fully Internet.

     Thank you very much.

     >> MODERATOR:   Okay.  Thank you.  I am aware that there is another hand, but we're running out of time, so I will let the Minister respond and then we can chat after off line.

     Thank you. 

     >> Minister:  Okay.  My friend from Pakistan, for sure to deploy the satellite, much more cheaper than to deploy the fiberoptics.

     We are now remanage the frequency spectrum to make sure that there will be a spectrum available for 5G, so I will do whatever I can do to allocate frequency spectrum for the 5G.  At the moment we have in the Field 5G implemented, but we need to prepare a good 5G spectrum that is now ongoing.

     I think that is the questions, and other questions we can discuss off line, because we are running out of time.

     Thank you.

     >> MODERATOR:   Thank you.  And, the Minister has the last word, so please give our panelist a round of applause, and thank you all of you for joining us this afternoon.

     (Applause)

     (Concluded) 

 

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