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>> TOSHIAKI TATEISHI: Everyone. Okay.
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>> TOSHIAKI TATEISHI: Hi. Can you hear me? Okay. Thank you. I'm so sorry. I'm late. I have another session that I attended. I'm ten minutes late. Now today we would like to talk about Restoring the Internet Creditability and Preserving Democracy.
As you know, we have so many misinformation and before that, illegal information and harmful information. Can you hear me? They prevented it. Okay.
We have so many after the Internet coming into this world. More than 20 years, I was struggling with these issues in Japan. Sometime. Can you hear me? It was the government. They looked for the ‑‑ first of all, it was the cyber bullying for the high school students. Maybe 2005, ‑‑ 04, 05, 06. That was Apple made the iPhone. For the first time, the high school student would never have the such to be deform. Two years later, most of them have the iPhone. That's the beginning of the cyber bullying.
Almost the same time, the same phenomenon was happening in the South Korea. They make some regulation to stop the cyber bullying. They have a very famous actress killed by he's. That was a social problem. They made a law for that. But it was cyber bullying continues and the suicide is decreasing. We still have the same problem now.
Additionally, now we have some misinformation and some information generated by AI. So them, the Democratics can we make the democracies ‑‑ do we ‑‑ how do we maintain the democracy in this world in Japan, we have the constitution. About telecommunication. Which reads the infringement of the communication such as censorship and something ‑‑ oh, booking if you are training. It was the option by each personal ‑‑ each person.
Then so many people tended to unload their censorship over the Internet. They don't know the mechanism. They don't know the blocking. Nowadays, as you know, the cyber talk is almost every day. We have had to talk about other countries. Sometimes Japan. They make a new app. He passed away 16 months ago. Now it is active.
Most of the people probably know about what is the cyber defence. If we don't have a deep pocket information, we cannot do these things. But you blank the secrecy with the telecommunications, so the majority of people tends to elope.
Some people are happier, because it doesn't bother by the government. As you know, the actor is by the cyber space and the information sharing. The cooperation and the protector for the cyberattack. Top maintain.
Next please. But some people concerns have already been expressed. What kind of concerns? Concerns about infringement about the constitution, which I mentioned. Those are concerns about cyber security infringement. They don't know about the secrecy. Now ways, some people are frequent. Maybe ten years ago, no one complained about that. nowadays, some people talk about it. Them.
Next please. The counter measures and misinformation. Which I told the constitution who is a maid. Let's created out of deep reflection and World War II. So many people cue and the violation is the state of Japanese democrats. I think this is the mostly important thing in Japan and nowadays.
However many citizens such as tended to due to the lack of knowledge and mechanism is of locking soda literally is very ready. How can I say important things also? But we need the countermeasures that do note to redry on the government in a way that does not for the communication. We could be independent from the government.
Sometimes they are fond on something. And in the ‑‑ only we have exception about blocking ‑‑ we blocked a China call. That's the only exception from the country. We never have someone from government. It is the blunt effort. It will be important in the future. And also there maybe cases and the technical measures and south party and systems that might be active. So now we have some speakers here. They are talking about our effort.
First of all, could you make a dress? Awesome. Just a moment. So sorry for the waiting.
So by way, do you have something about which we knew about. I talked about the Japanese situation. Maybe the regulation act was different from Japan. What do you think about that?
>> MASAAKI MIYAGAWA: Yeah. While we're tackling that technical issue. One of the things about the topic that you mentioned. It is always a balance between protecting citizens against cyberattacks and also protecting privacy and so on. One of the things that I think is quite important that where ‑‑ who decides where that balance lies. That is precisely part of the topic today which is part of the democratic process that leads into, you know, how we set that balance.
But, one of the interesting things as I was preparing to respond is that the problem with disinformation campaigns affect democracy itself. When you have a system where it kind of tampering with the system democracy and skewing the voting process to achieve certain result, it is setting the balance between privacy and security. We come into an issue of a dead loop, if you will. That's something that I was going to expand on. But, I think they are ready for the next presentation.
>> TOSHIAKI TATEISHI: There's been a change of person next.
>> MASAAKI MIYAGAWA: Just a moment.
The panel will need to allow.
Okay. It is great.
>> TOSHIAKI TATEISHI: Okay. I am skipping Yuki. Also, I have the company and provided the main reason for our service. Then we forest the domain service for the company. We give you company now.
>> YUKI: Here is my right to prepare. This is in December 20 years. Our domain service. Next. Our domain secondary market, SEO, with the domain.com. We are providing this service for your company too. And then I explain this information, for example, to use domain secondary market.
Plus, for example, the domain was used by no program and user and for shopping site. Domain has expired and the person registered the domain.
Of course, user will not be receive any items. Just one moment. This is analytical data. This is not difficult to get access to the market. So it is a question and how do we present?
Next I took at these. I go through and Istanbul from ‑‑ I used the ‑‑ I met the three weeks and maintain. Then I voted and operated per the price. Operating prices.
I vote. Updated and the crisis. I do not. I don't feel good. However, I decided to use this schedule. My same company looks to be the drifter. I did not able to change over freight.
Next. I deserve it. Okay. All right. Thank you for listening to my talk.
>> TOSHIAKI TATEISHI: Okay. Ready.
>> MASAAKI MIYAGAWA: My name is Dr. Miyagawa from Japan. Can you hear me? The main server is international. Next theory please.
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>> Sorry. The vote for the library and isolation. My company in two or three in New York and the former graduate school. Next slide please.
Encountered and sustained democracy. The declaration and the comma, altered by the predictable path and the information continues. Widespread ‑‑ (Microphone feedback)
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>> MASAAKI MIYAGAWA: So the information. The risk is caused by the donation there. It was increased due to AI, we think. Next three as the center please. There's interactive lists to across lectures. This is at other page. (Microphone feedback) honestly doesn't pay. The loss for a vote.
Misinformation and false information responsible for answers. In the past, suspicious information, the neighbour or two, the two or two couldn't hear the information. It was accepted. Should I say you may miss out on the opportunities if folks are in the deep. Third, especially around rose.
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>> MASAAKI MIYAGAWA: It is to be covered by the taxes. Increasing stress due to smartphone, addiction, you know, hush. Is he? He may a statement to a lot of identifies. Okay.
Dependents means in the communication which can lead to isolation in research for a station and not ‑‑ it seems that about me and knowingly to pray for malicious sites. Next one please.
Next speaker. Sorry. Certification. In October of '02, the EDU have the adoption. Japan has acted against unjustifiable. The Raymonds and it is not sufficient. Not sufficient, I think.
Certification by nudge seal. What is nudge seal? It is the type of indications. It indicates that there's no dark importance on the side. No reason south Padre is because of the misery. That's corporate governance. They really licked the air a little bit. This year is to let you know, for example. The ingredients that can only be harvested in the south area.
If 100 tons of saturating the market, it would be strange. You know what we have information? co‑operation. They search. Here I am, including not to included. We have suspicious society. Not going to take it. Second, education. It is for education to get the information. Their whole language of le schools that meant through the area that he rocks me. I think it is effective to config wise by age when conducting the education around awareness activities.
Particularly in Japan, many phishing sites. It is dangerous or accessible dependence. Last domain management. Suspicious web site can be difficult to distinguish from legal ones. However, by examining the domain name, it is possible to sell down, precede. I wrote down the domains to get users to manage the domains. Thank you.
>> TOSHIAKI TATEISHI: Thank you very much. We're talking about these things effective or not. So the last thing he mentioned about the domain name management. First of all, I would drag to put that issue, because I'm the imaginer. I'm not sure only Egypt has done better.
Nowadays, the Japanese people don't have interest about the domain names. It is easy just to find some web sites. Just put some words in the Google sites and that's it. No relationship with the domain name. We've been and they have phishing e‑mail. They got it easy to kick the phishing site. That's one of the reasons why he mentioned about that. What do you think about that?
>> MASAAKI MIYAGAWA: Thank you. I'm going to start off with the question posed in terms of, I guess, DNS abuse in some sense. The ‑‑ two aspects that you mentioned, one is the domain abuse itself. The other one is the lack of people actually using domain names and, there have, the causing the difficulties of identifying the identify of spam or phishing and so on. I think that's a very interesting observation. I'll start with the DNS abuse and come back to what I think is an important progress going forward about digital identities and the authentication and the credentials of users online.
I think, first of all, on the DNS abuse site of things, we talked about privacy versus cybersecurity which is the age old discussion; right? One of the interesting things about DNS abuse or domain abuse is that in the current discussions, it is very much always related shot ability to obtain registration data from the registration data access protocol now. Since the GDRP. A lot of the public who is information of public domain. They are saying we need access to the information in order to tackle the cybersecurity issues and deal with DNS abuse issues.
Where does ‑‑ there's the big debate about whether or not contents should be taking action. I actually like to think of it a little bit further. When you think about the ICCAN ecosystem, they are not the right to get the register. That doesn't mean registries and registrars can't step it another way. Step.kits. When you look at DNS abuse, when we look at DNS abuse, our approach is significantly dirt on Asia, it is anything close. That's not ill local, goes; right? On kids it is very different. We actually actively monitor the content that is relevant for the policy that disallows them to provide content that's rated R or restricted such as pornography, casino sites, violence and gore, and if they do, for example, there are cases that it is a site where it is providing movies.
But, they had rated R movies. That's a violation of the policies. We do take action and take them down. Here's an example earlier. When there's a domain and no content, that touches on the name itself..kids could be education. So forth and so on. In this case, we take ‑‑ rape kits and we answer and prove to suspend it.
Things like sex.kits is where you balance between the freedom of expression and protection. It is very different. Sex.Asia, we wouldn't care about it. We would put a catch on it if it is about kids. That's where the balance needs to be. Not to pre‑game then. When you go to precrime, we cross the line between the protection of the cybersecurity versus the other side. Now moving to the discussion about cybersecurity itself and the balance and how, you know, I think that relates to the ‑‑ our democratic institutions and so on. This is the type of damage that we need to be clear about when we talk about protection of privacy and so on. That relates to the data that I mentioned.
One of the things that people like to say is that privacy is about data security. They come hand in hand. I actually think it is the only way around. The question is what ‑‑ first of all, why are you keeping the data itself? In the domain registration part of things, it is very clear that domain registration data is required. Whether to disclose the information is important. We move on to the perhaps such as social media and misinformation and disinformation. There the line is significantly different. There are certain data that you don't have to retain. Platforms that should not maintain, for example.
Even if you want to verify, for example, someone's age or verify credentials, now it is security. It is not an issue for privacy. Moving forward into platforms and so on. Then we talk at the content. The content itself is could be developed and towards disinformation and spread on the platform. therefore affecting the election results. On that particular front, I believe one of the key aspects in terms of Internet governance is looking at what we so‑called digital sovereignty and data sovereignty. The issue there though is too much attention is being placed on national, digital sovereignty or national data localization. It is personal digital sovereignty which allows people's data to be owned by themselves, regardless of the way the platform is. That's protection to the end user. That's protection to the citizen. Not data localization or data national digital sovereignty.
Because that's where the part where you talking about, you know, people not using different domains and jumping into fastball or certain social media. That's where it is really important. With the personal digital sovereignty, people can move out to the platform. If I own my data and am allowed to move on to different platforms like the social web, you know, I'm not locked in to a Facebook. Therefore I'm not locked into a attacked from Facebook. One of the key things for cybersecurity and disinformation and the information from the democratic institutions is to think personal digital sovereignty. It build what I call a digital resilience. Cybersecurity is never 100%.
The issue and the infrastructure or personal digital data and so on, it is more about resilience. Whether you can withstand, take yourself back up, reconstruct your digital world even after attack or under attack. All of that comes back to one of the key aspects is to get out of this obsession about data localization and controlling all of the data and being willing to catch the bad guy and do the right thing.
On the reverse, think about the personal, digital sovereignty. Users are moving their data around and protecting their data and the protection strengthening, I believe, the democratic discourse in terms of the social media.
Sorry, I think I jumped through many different areas. It is a very broad topic that we brought along.
>> MASAAKI MIYAGAWA: Thank you. You said about the sovereignty. It does not belong to the national, to the nation but the person.
First of all in Japan. Namely, we have the personal data. Sovereignty is not related. That's a very good point, I think. Also I want to know about how do you find that? I'm sorry. About the kids? How do you find out who decide for the kids? I will try to find out.
>> YOSUKE NAGAI: That's a good point. In terms of specifically the docket, I guess when dockets was launched two and a half years ago, we're glad the mechanism in the system for handles DNS abuse is in place. What the systems behind which is actually supported by our provider, identity digital and through them clean DNS, allows us to look at content. You'll have to look at content.
On that part, then it is very much based on different lists and different people that monitor fishing, malware, and so on. We utilise that, plus a reporting mechanism. We are somewhat reactive in terms of DNS abuse. On the situation, you are direct correct. We are proactive. When the domain is registered, Yours truly is we have eyeball. But we also utilise the doors that is Minged and a little bit of AI and identifying potential issues
At the end of the day, we have a team that eyeballs the issue. There's a certain balance that I mention that needs to be made. But on top of that, we also work with Internet watch foundation. They are focused on CSAM.
Child sexual abuse materials. We are not the professionals for that. Those things we depend on automated mechanism and report through the IWF the international foundation.
>> MASAAKI MIYAGAWA: Okay. We have to do the same way we check inside. Not mostly prove the reader by the human.
>> YOSUKE NAGAI: This is not easy. We cannot protect against all of the sites. Phishing sites. So we focus on honesty society. Sorry, our associations activities, I've ‑‑ not you ‑‑ probably ‑‑ not sure ‑‑ by the pick and production spread to people who say to be ‑‑ who mentioned. Just orphanage people like me? And the protection and the contact. All of the phishing sites we cannot protect ourselves.
I'm sorry. This is on the web site. We can do it now; right?
>> MASAAKI MIYAGAWA: Thank you.
>> YOSUKE NAGAI: You wanted to respond. One of the things when with we started to think about adopting kids, we thought about having a seal and some sort of credential to show you are the properness with. The challenge is domains and hosting would be promoting. The other thing is that the bad guys are going to try to get that. That's where we have a problem. I will definitely try to get the seal first.
Then I become trusted. The other thing is even as I was saying, even if it is not intentional, the seal or that web site would be compromised. We didn't use the method and had to do more monitoring.
>> TOSHIAKI TATEISHI: It is not launched. We don't have a complete idea. It is a difficult problem. Extremely, we have to make the change. More than 20 years. We were talking about the meeting. The whole next approach. Yes. It is. It is not effective now. That's a very good abroach for that. Only two minutes left. Does someone have a question or opinion? Please raise your hand. Come on up to the microphone.
Okay. So then last one. Did you have something?
>> YUKI: Education is very important.
>> TOSHIAKI TATEISHI: Congratulations. Anyone educational? One minute.
>> YOSUKE NAGAI: Sure. I guess I'll close in terms of the topic today. To me I think the focus a lot of times on international digital sovereignty is really mistaked. If we want to protect our citizens, we need to give them the personal digital so farty. That's the foundation of addressing some of the attacks on our democratic institutions and democratic systems. Without that, the misinformation is going to hurt. Just a few could affect the results of the election. Those targeted next and doing that. By creating a regime that allows for personal sovereignty. It allows me to jump out of the fable and still be connected in the social web.
>> TOSHIAKI TATEISHI: That's time. Thank you so much.
