IGF 2019 – Day 3 – Convention Hall I-C – OF #40 EU Delegation & Youth IGF Movement

The following are the outputs of the real-time captioning taken during the Fourteenth Annual Meeting of the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Berlin, Germany, from 25 to 29 November 2019. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid to understanding the proceedings at the event, but should not be treated as an authoritative record. 



>> CHAIRMAN:  All right.  To make it more interactive as possible.  So good afternoon, everybody, ladies and gentlemen, distinguish guests, friends and colleagues.  I will propose to start into this open forum organized by the European delegation IGF as well as the IGF movement.  We have members of the European parliament as well as ICANN board, we have distinguished guests from the digital 47 counsel.  Thank you so much for joining us today and very thankful words as well for the European delegation to the IGF who kindly helped us to put the forum together.  Some the whole team put the forum together.  Warm thanks.  I think the idea of this Open Forum is really have the dialogue between the global players, global leaders and Id say ‑‑ the youths leaders who are the activists and the real leaders from the youths today.  My name is Yulia Morenets from Cybercrime International.  We operate the IGF movement.  We work on three pillars and the third pillar is awareness going on online safety.  We moved since 2011.  I would like to present our distinguished guests.  We have the member of the European automatic.  So thank you for being with us.  We have Alexandra Geese and we have also friends from the Portuguese delegation and other great people and young people present in the room.  So I have maybe to say a few words about the use of IGF and IGF movement.  We have been created in 2011 and added by the (?)  It's a little bit European.  We organized the meeting with young people that same today we are present in 35 countries around the world.  We have great activities who became leaders present with us here today.  We have Junior Saint Fleur from Haiti.  I don't know if you we have (?) from Algeria.  We have Portuguese colleague, but he has to leave.  But we have a very nice message from him.  We have Maria from Ukraine, if you can identify ourselves.  Maria, good morning.  And we have a few and a great number of the young people from other countries that I don't know personally, but you will be able to identify ourselves as well.  It has been created in 2011 and 2015.  We really somehow happen to become global present in 36 countries.  By working in this country, the young leaders and activities were able to identify full areas.  Delegation and the four areas are the following.  The online safety, cybersecurity, counterfitted products with focus on fake medicines online and the DNS domain name system.  So in this order full priorities, they work and organize seminars.  They went beyond and are organized and was able to target projects.  It is very interesting.  This meeting is the dialogue between you the global players and young activists today.  But also the idea is to just show that actually by coming from scratch, just being a young person interested in this topic and subjects, we can become airline leaders and have an impact.  Stop there and more with the opening words.  Maybe I will go and work and ask the members of the European parliament for few key openings words before we go to see tangible examples from the young people.  So would you like to ‑‑

>> We'll go with Caramel first.  Thank you so much for taking the time to be here.  It's not just old people that I hear, but we also listen to what is actually the majority of the world population.  I was elected to the European parliament this year before being damaged.  I have a career as a diplomat behind me and I followed what happened both with the complication of some mall in Denmark that gave rise to demonstrations around the world in Muslim countries that were organized by blog text messages.  I find it very interesting how networks could create movements that governments didn't know what to do with.  With the evolutions and uprisings in North America and the Middle East, this has been very apparent.  That's what made me interested working as a politician.  And I want to make sure that we have an opening for free Internet that enables citizens to be able to control their governments and hold the authorities into account.  But that we do not allow citizens and consumers to be opts of mass surveillance both at a state level.  So that's sort of ‑‑ one of the main issues I want to be working on politically.  But options to make sure that we use the networks and the innovation that the Internet provides to use it for innovation and that we don't overregulate it in a way that protects old businesses and business models.  And that's a challenge and this guys' because we'll go through the challenge and there is real echo.  The more regulation we have, the more I feel states and governments wants to use it to regulate their citizens and use regulation as an excuse for crack down on accessed information and for Democratic dialogue and the more we see regulation also being uses bigs businesses and right shoulders to protect their business models and stop free and fair competition.  I am looking forward to input and dialogue with you.

>> ALEXANDRA GEESE:  Hello.  My name is Alexandra Geese.  I have a book grouped in languages as a simultaneous interpreter, but I also study political science and sociology.  I have been involved with politics for the last two years and living in different countries of Europe and I was plainly involved in a very different sector with women's rights and migrants' rights in Europe.  And then I got really interested in the digital sector because I realized what is going on in the digital worlds strongly imagine the groups of people now also the way our democracy works.

I am also an artificial especially so far in certain groups of people, basically everybody who is not male, white and rich.  The majority of the population and those are the people who are not at the table when decisions on platform regulation or an artificial intelligence are taken.  Therefore the possibility of having to meet you.

One thing that's a motivation for me to be in politics is take the voice of very ordinary people.  I wasn't a politician before.  Also a sorry of 3.  I think it's important to see the digital place mark only by experts because now when you talk about European regulation, it's basically politics and then when experts are heard, they are people from the industry and a little from academia.  It is starting to be very strongly influenced by the industry as well.  I would like to find out how to make people and especially in the regulation.  Therefore, I would be for us to take back to the European parliament, what your questions are and concerns are.  Therefore, I sit here.  We have this privilege face to face.  So this is the place to make your statement.  Would you like to give a few operating words from ICANN word?

>> MATTHEW SHEARS:  Yes.  I am Matthew Shears.  I'm not old by any measures on the table here.  I spent five or six years working in civil society.  I worked as a member of the non‑commercial stakeholders group.  Much of what's been said resonates very much with me.  And before that, I worked in the technology expert.  So very much a hybrid.  I will leave it to that.  She's in the case so there are questions that I can't ask, she will be able to.

>> I know you have also a great experience working outside of France as well and, please.  You're welcome.

>> Let me explain.


So I'm the chairwoman of the digital counsel which is basically an advisory board named by the government, but an independent one and I assist on the interdependency.  We are ‑‑ I'm trying to help French government and institutions about policy making about digital issues.  But I'm also why Yulia invited me here.  I am the chairman of the French, national NGO aiming to find the gender gap in IT since 6 now and, um, trying to develop the program in Africa.

As you noticed, I'm a little bit mixed.  Very interested in what's happening in Africa and I use it to work in west Africa and I'm not that young.  I have a lot of hope in the next generation and what I'm working on with all the bells and (?) of my NGO and what I'm trying to implement in the next digital counsel is to have of the next generation, the genuine ones who never consulted about old issues you are treating right now and are very important because for me, even when we're all talking about regulation, for example, which is one of the problems, we are training here at the French digital counsel.  For me, it will be totally willing not useful to try to approach regulation that won't be under why the next generation.  For me, the next generation shall be totally associated to what we are discussing now and to make them understand that they will play a major role in the future.

>> CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.  In order to take a turn to the young representatives now and quite often, I think one would speak about the young and the internet governance.  A number of people say just young people are discussing youth issues and amongst.  And nothing happens afterwards.  What we're trying to achieve today is show and demonstrate that we can also ‑‑ the end people can discuss between them, but take the recommendations and try to implement project as well.  Maybe start with Europe, with Portugal.  We have ‑‑ he's not here, but we have super short message from him, a video message.  So I would like to ask our charming (?) to put that from a young European as well.  Thank you.

>> Hello, everyone.  My name is Ron Pedro.  Recently ‑‑ well, since September, I joined the Youth IGF movement.  Under the chatter oriented for young people that spoke the Portuguese, these are sessions happening in the source.

My focus was online rights and total support for the internet usage.  The sessions are coordinated by the Brazilian (?) for childhood.  We have etched out to more than 200 children and 500 committee members.  This is a great practice example for local and unified regional strategy.

>> CHAIRMAN:  This was his message from Portugal and I would like to thank Portuguese colleagues who helped make this happen.  He wants to go and he joined, but I would like now to still stay in Europe and go to Ukraine.  Maybe give the floor to for the example to Maria so she can present what you need.

>> MARIA KORNIETS:  Hello, everyone.  Thank you for coming.  Great presentation.  My name is Maria Korniets.  I use IGF movement Ambassador in Ukraine.  I did a masters degree in international.  In fact right now I am a blockchain developer.  So I'm here today.  We have cybersecurity.  So, um, there are two lead mark dates.  When we conduct the cybersecurity ones like in our network of ambassadors, first one is safer Internet date in February and the second one is a cybersecurity months.  So I will tell you about what we do like briefly like in a few minutes what we do on these dates.  Yeah.

So first I say for internet date as you probably all know, safer Internet date is global campaign supported by Europe and commission to bring in better intercept policies.  So basically what was our achievement in this year is that we brought safer Internet dates to new countries just this year.  In many countries, the day was celebrated and conducted by our Ambassadors for the first time.  Countries ‑‑ sorry.  Algeria, Haiti, how is Africa and the least of the countries.  Well, basically these events are conducted in schools or universities.  They can also be online campaigns or like ‑‑ we have ambassadors speaking on national television on what we're doing.  So here you can see some pictures.  So yeah.  And cybersecurity months conducted in October once again what is our added value is that initially cybersecurity month was European cybersecurity month.  It was not global.  But what we did is that we brought it like worldwide on four continents.  Europe, Asia, Africa and from Latin America.  So to give you an idea ‑‑ well, yeah.  Pictures.  Pictures.  To give you an example, I was conducting the events in Ukraine.

How did I come up with idea?  I was writing a research paper.  There's always a big problem in Ukraine because as I was writing this paper, I was researching the cybersecurity violations within last five years and it was starting how bad the problem was.  I also faced that it was a problem in the Ukraine and there was lack of professionals and there was a big gap.  I decided to conduct a big lecture together and to ‑‑ well, younger IT students to show (?) to go to cybersecurity and we top ‑‑ well, this is to give you an example.  Thank you very much.  This is briefly on our activities and thank you.

>> CHAIRMAN:  Thank you so much, Maria.  It was amazing.


Amazing presentation and I have to say that this priority how to involve young people and how to give the overall to the young, you know, in the cybersecurity and online safety, it was one of the main recommendations that came out from this kind of meetings and Open Forum 2016.  We worked hard while they worked hard on how to make something tangible.  Young people just where we also go and do things.  So another recommendation it was how we can approach a very critical point as well.

As you know, there is a big problem of fake (?) products online and especially in the global south of fake medicine.  I will give floor to Michele from Lebanon and he will tell his story.  Michele?

>> I am Michele.  I work as researcher in the digital human center at the university.  I'm also a legal ID expert.  We started (?) as an Ambassador to have organized several events like workshops, seminars and campaigns.  Our main focus is on cybersecurity.  We are targeting young leaders from NGOs, but also children's.  So now I want to present one of the best events this year.

It was on the occasion of what the counterfeiting products online.  We have launched a campaign about online counterfeit online.  We have leaders to address issues and we have critical issues not only in Europe, but around the world.  You can see that nowadays, 65% of the online shop are selling fake products online.  We have 35,000 of online pharmacy that are not registered.  This is a huge market because the loss is around $200 billion every year.  We have organized this event for the first time in 10 countries.  It was on Portugal, (?), Rwanda, Algeria, Napal, Indonesia, Pakistan, United Kingdom and Nigeria.  It is always teased to be in IET and Lebanon.  We have postponed the event.  Now we are looking to increase the counters in the next version and to reach more people.  So we are looking forward for your support in this.  Thank you.

>> CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Michele, for your great message as well.  And maybe next time in June next year we can also have the world and a message from the members of parliament to these countries about this important topic.  How we arrive today's ‑‑ we had an example of one young leader had a problem by buying counter medicine online.  That's how we arrived to the idea.  I would like to turn to Junior.  He's all right here from Haiti.  He will speak about something amazing.  He is on a national campaign the day we're about to launch in Haiti.  I think he first started as the IGF last year and immediately created this idea.  Please support Junior because it will be difficult for him.  He's a French speaker and really tries hard to bring this message today in English.  So please be patient as well.  Thank you, everyone.


>> Hello, everyone.  My name is Junior Saint Fleur.  My profession is software repair.  Since 2016, I am Youth IGF Ambassador in IG.  I organize a lot of activities in IG.  I organized the first ever Internet I did in IG.  This activity was organizing IT media.  I want to quiz you now.  Combined (?)  We realize that ‑‑ realize that Asian people lack information about the Internet works.  Therefore most benefits are not quietly received that also impact the knowledge and youth development in the country.  The digital campaign in English will be around several targeted places and social networks.  Together it is (?) activities, confidence, Round Table workshops.  In fact, the general objective is to (?) young people and professional to know and understand the digital world.  You can see some photos.  I was meeting Mrs. (?) in 2017.  And the first photo in '18.  Thank you.

>> CHAIRMAN:  Thank you so much, Junior.  Thank you for the great effort.  I was saying thank you for your great engagements because I was personally amazed when he came to IGF last year and said with (?), we would like to launch this campaign and the message he brought just now.

I would like to change the content and go to Indonesia.  I would love to give floor to our program with the crate projects and amazing community you have there.  I'm from Indonesia.  Does anybody know where it is?  Yeah?  Do you know where Indonesia is?  Has anybody been?  Excellent.  Bali?  Right.  Okay.  Um, as we know in Indonesia, it is the fourth (?) in the world that we have 171 million internet users.  And out of 171 million users, there is a 49% that has experience in cyber bullying on social media.

So coming from this, of course one of our objectives are following with the form projects that we do every single year that have already been presented by my fellow.  And Indonesia, we work very closely with the ministry of communications and IT.  We work closely with and shooting commissions.  We ask and we make it out to MC together and we come up and say there is a cybersecurity, that is, which is cyber bullying.  We interviewed the psychologist and the lawyer at the same time to basically getting to know best about what is exactly the facts of the cyberbullying.  Of course it's a (?) reduce of self‑esteem and lawyer says this is what happened.  We don't have currently a specific IT relations that focus on cyberbullying.  So it is very difficult for our legal endorsement to make this happen.  So at the moment until today, this is the research from the international policy.  There is no cyberbullying case that is being prosecuted.

Now, from all this, the biggest number of the cyberbullying types is not about when are walking around your friends on storm media, but that's (?)  At least this is what happened.  Digitally trusting, lack of literacy especially when people are living outside.  It is difficult to get access from the internet and getting knowledge about the Internet itself.

So what happened when they go online?  They have no idea what dos and don'ts on social media.  Bench party is one of the biggest issue we're having in Indonesia.  That is also leading to ‑‑ this is one of the cases that we interviewed that's also what happened the cyberbullying had happened with the second runner‑up in Indonesia.  That also happened with the other three fellows experiencing cyberbullying.  Now, from this, we've been actively having a lot of workshops in Indonesia.  And so far, over this one year, we have 12 offline events focusing on cybersecurity, cyberbullying, revenge porn and then we have reached over 900 young people participating in events.  And beyond that, we have reached over 15,000 online followers on or ‑‑ they're engaging and asking questions and sometimes doing it for online webinar for us as well.  So the questions much right now is awareness itself is not enough.  We need something more concrete.  We need something that is actually solving the issues because for them when they are getting bullied, they want to speak with someone, but all their friends are bullying them.  They have the gap to speak with their parents because they have no idea what is going on with their children at school.  We came up with an idea.  Bully.Idmedical be a mobile application that based on Apple and iOS that utilize Artificial Intelligence and blockchain to help bullying and cyberbullying victims to get confidential persons, emotional support and legal assistance.  If they want to create a better online community, there is a feature called be a Whistle Blower so several committing and (?) technology to D up which is bully.ID.  It is on a DEV process at the moment.  We are pretty much happy to work with everyone in here if you are interested and being a part of the AI blockchain technology.

Lastly, this is a little bit about the interface the UIUX design about bully.ID.  We have discovered featured under it ‑‑ we also put the news in Indonesia.  The main goal for the ID is also achieving the sustainable goals number 3, good health and well being, gender equality and justice and strong institution in the same time.  I think that's all from my side and thank you so much.  Don't forget to follow the IGF Indonesia.  Thank you.


>> CHAIRMAN:  Thank you so much.  How amazing it is to see great projects that came out from this.  Just young activists who became leaders in this field.  I would ask our distinguished guests maybe to (?) passion.  I would like to bring African youths in the discussion and to show what is going on in Africa.  We are lacking.  So please be sure, youths, it's important to show what is going on in this content as well.  Then we have a very great cooperation and user sumit that I would like to have feedback from our global leaders plenty here tell us a little bit about activities in a very summarized manner.  Thank you.

>> INNOCENT ADRIKO:  Thank you very much.  My name is Innocent Adriko.  I started my journey in the internet governance system this year in June.  June I had a number of activities in which I coordinated students of Uganda.  But we're African (?) summit and tests embedded into the summit.  That is when I all started this.

So after the summit, it's when I realized that Uganda was lagging behind.  Uganda in our population more than 70% is of young people.  So many more young people are on the Internet.  But the challenge is that they already show diverse like the technical communities for structure.  The infrastructure in rural areas is not that good.  The issues underlining are so many.  To some extent, we have to go with priority first like what is the priority for us to address?  In 2018, Uganda introduced social media tax.  So this tax had an impact on youth because we don't walk with students.  So if I'm paying for that, my country and most land developing countries have higher bits.  So then you impose a tax.  So I have to pay for that.  It all makes the things so difficult for us.  So what have we done to see that some of these challenges are walked on?  We had a series of activities and able to participate at ICANN 65.  So after that, we came back.  We started handling initiatives that one of the initiatives now that we have is called a digitally (?) initiative.  Its role is make sure the youth are educated about issues to do the digital world and how beneficial it can be to them, why they should be part of internet governance.  We do realize that stakeholding is not that good.  So our government (?) is anything at any time because you couldn't find.  It is very hard for us to go on and talk directly to the government because in the ministry, there's no direct office that we can go to and be like you know what, maybe we can talk about it and it's very ‑‑ we start up a campaign and it's called Dear Government.  So the Dear Government campaign is purposely to tell government if possible to preach to them their role in this Eco system.  What is it supposed to do?  The role is supposed to play insuring there is quite (?) on the internet.  The role is to insure freedom of expression.  As you will see in a series of them in Africa, we can tell you how to solve one at a time.  I encourage you to help us and possibly get resolutions together.  Thank you.

>> CHAIRMAN:  Thank you for your comments and actually for the kind of feedback on the situation in Uganda.  I remember when I was there as well.  You can feel the Internet Connectivity issue.  So it is good.

I would like to turn for a stage.  Elisabeth, you have the floor.  We can have feedback later as well.

>> Elisabeth:  Thank you, Yulia.  We have people from over delivering countries out of worldwide regions.  I think a time of more than three months to ‑‑ I will return because I don't want anything to get lost and I did not draft them myself.  I will try to be clear, but also be quick.  You can find them as well on our website whyIGF.DE.  So the first one is Brit governments.  Nobody wants the utility companies to get hacked.  Critical infrastructure that affects needs to be protected.  Let's have a practice approach of audits and international strategies among side proper disclosure.

The second one ‑‑ you must guide AI driven decision making to insure explainability.  Inclusivity, privacy and derive to appeal.  Whenever decision when it had disruptive person or consequences such as (?)  Companies should be transparent on algorithms and content rules and decision making to uphold trust and responsibility.  Governments should play a role with independent bodies.  Users and independent researchers should have easy access to necessary data.

Next one is the child protection online is a priority for us all.  We need a universal approach.  Collaboration between all stakeholders is crucial for designing effective policies by involving parents, healthcare and education professionals as well as children themselves.

Next one is we demand new dynamic cybersecurity stretching with multi‑stakeholder approaches that include transparent, adaptive and recommend oriented policies since everyone have picked them out on daily lives.  Is technology of all policies must do on that neutrality.  Unrestricted internet access must be guaranteed in order to insure digital inclusion.  To achieve that, governments companies and Internet service providers must not control data flow and not prioritize services.

Next one is demand platforms to instate and dismiss (?) data points from micro targeting used for political advertising to diminish the dangers of there information.  On youth participation, young people ‑‑ decision makers overcome barriers and including on the underrepresented people in meaningful and measurable way.

Next one is stakeholders must drive doing corporate universal ethical principals and standards and develop general competencies, framework and education.

The next one is a short one on facial recognition.  That is without transparency and accountability, there should be no facial recognition.  They need to be between and the last one on platform regulation is necessary but in the Goldilocks approach.  Everyone deserves a place at the table.

>> CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.  I think now our global leaders have a lot of information and I thank you.  I would like to thank all of you enjoying us today for this Open Forum.  So now we have to turn to members of the European parliament and ICANN board.  Maybe you would like to give us feedback to make a statement.  I don't know if you would like to be the first.

>> I think I only missed two IGFs.  And I don't think ‑‑ I think this is the first time I have engaged with this Group.  That's a disappointing to me because I found this incredibly inspirational.  It is good to hear all these words and not come away with anything, but when you see what is happening on the ground and what is being driven by youths, that's a whole different level of engagement and commitment.  It's quite fantastic.  So the one thing that comes across from the various projects is they're all about building trust.  I think that's a really important content whether talking about cybersecurity or cyber punishment ‑‑ it is all about building trust back into a system, the internet that a lot of people have been losing trust in recently.  I think that's also incredibly important.  The activities that reach out to the young to develop a much greater awareness of what some challenges are is incredibly well.  It puts you in a position of being incredibly well prepared to discuss, to become parliamentarians and to have the fullest awareness of the challenges which many of those focus on.  I think that's absolutely essential.  I don't know what the ‑‑ how you address these, but being given in the final sessions tomorrow at all?  Are they being referred out?  The last segments of the day tomorrow.

>> We have not been able to give an international official spot.

>> I would send you to seek a spot in the final sessions and to give these recommendations because I think they are fantastically conscious, to the people and I would.

>> Maybe we should work on this and make it happy will be a great moment.  Would you like to give us your feedback and vision?  Thank you.

>> I can also confirm.  I am totally impressed.  This is very inspiring.  I think what we are seeing because you have sort of global representation.  Is that the problems?  And the issues with the internet, but also the challenges and opportunities are pretty much the same.  Literacy teaching young people how to use the internet to be aware or use it well.  This is exactly the same problem we have in Europe and not only with young people.  Why you see the content you are seeing and it's really we would need you to come to Germany after you see what the problems are.  I was particularly impressed by the Indonesian example I have to say because we have a huge debate in Germany as well.  Exactly on the same problem and it's like I said before, it concerns particularly specific groups of the population.  Young people, women, people who are not white in the case of Europe or who don't come from the country they're living in, it is clear they're have the came influence and power of where they are living.  We have been having huge debate on how to address this ‑‑ some people in Europe and policy makers don't know the internet and the internet the same rules apply and the same law applies on in the offline world, but it's not enforced.  It's a very clear problem that choices are being made that law enforcement is not applied to the internet.  So if there are fences or threats, we've had huge amounts of cases.  On the Internet, law enforcement should be provided.  So this is still not being taken seriously.  I would be happy to look into idea AI.  That's really important to use technology as well, of never ‑‑ I think it is very clear in our societies that these are real issues that concern real people and they have to be ‑‑ they have to be tackled exactly as you would tackle somebody stealing your car.  This is a lot worse.  This is violence.  Why is there no focus on this.  Yeah.  The (?) example was very interesting as well.  We brought it up in the European parliament for the Iraq case and often Internet shut downs are a tool use to start doing things that are quite worse and to avoid transparency on a global scale.  I think we have to really show that the Internet and access to the Internet is important as a usual opinion.  We need a lot more participation by young people and we need a lot more participation by people from the global south especially that are not represented.  I am very open to any suggestions you might have, for ideas you can take back to parliament.  I think the rules where you read were absolutely perfect.  This is what we should all do and maybe think as a delegation for inviting to you make we can talk about this.  Thank you.

>> Thank you.  Would you like to ‑‑

>> Thank you so much for your presentation.  I think it's important that we cannot try to happen but we address them as a society.  So having content moderation by Artificial Intelligence is not perhaps the best way of solving problems in society.  I think also sometimes the technical solutions can be misused to have censorship by governments cracking down on democratic forces.  I think it's important to not address technological issues and the lack of knowledge about how you internet works use only a youth issue or ‑‑ this is great from general education.  As a part of our general education is not something extracurricular for the special interesting people.  Gives me a lot of hope listening to all of your projects and engagements and I hope that you will make the leap from being interested by the knowledge and regulation of that and perhaps becoming politicians at some point.  We need politicians that understand how the Internet works and the legislation that reflects how the Internet works.  Without that, it is not applicable.  You will not accept government shut downs of the Internet and you will be fighting against this.  Let's try and figure out how we can join together in this fight.  Thank you.

>> CHAIRMAN:  Thank you so much.  You need to give an applause to our leaders.  I think we have ‑‑ we might take with us a few messages and recommendations that summarized and I don't know if we still have time for one question maybe.  Would you be able to say five more minutes?  Do you have one question?  Eventually?  Please, you have the mic.  Please identify yourself.

>> It really is not a question.

>> CHAIRMAN:  It can be a statement as well, but a short one, please.

>> Someone that wants to say a question.  No?  Can I speak?

>> Okay.

>> We hear you.

>> I'm Alessia from Italy.  There's a bunch of people with here we are.  We are in IGF as members of internet society Italy and the machines and English (?) generation.  It's a local association from I think maybe the secret is to find someone who knows in you even if you are young.  And we ‑‑ they're lucky to know the reality of internet society Italy and to meet Stefanie and Laura, they gave us the opportunity to talk in different international conference and events and they gave out the opportunity to be here today.  For the next years, we have planned ‑‑ if you want to collaborate without, we will (?) about this.

>> CHAIRMAN:  Thank you for your statement.  I think the members of the known leaders are very open in collaborating with the young people.  I would like to give a very big applause to all of you.  Thank you for all using (?) and joining us.  Thank you to young leaders for presentations and particular thank you for accepting to hear and to be heard today with us the members of the European parliament and ICANN work.  Thank you so much.  I would ask you afterwards to say two minutes for a global photo and that we will take two recommendations.  They're all in building trusts.  We might be happy in supporting the global use from global (?) to bring the IGS and Internet governance.  A big applause to all of you.