The following are the outputs of the real-time captioning taken during a DC Coordination virtual call. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid, but should not be treated as an authoritative record.
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>> LIMA MADOMI: Hi, Jutta, can you hear me?
>> JUTTA CROLL: I can hear you.
>> LIMA MADOMI: I think Markus is having some problem because we were in a meeting just before this meeting and suddenly I lost him.
>> LIMA MADOMI: Hello?
>> JUTTA CROLL: Hello? It's Jutta speaking.
>> LIMA MADOMI: We have many represented here in our call. We are awaiting for Markus, who obviously has some technical issues, and I'm pretty sure he will join in a few minutes, so we have a meeting agenda with ‑‑ agenda, you can see it on the screen.
So if anybody has objections against the agenda or additions to the agenda, please chime in now and tell us what you would like to add to the agenda. I'm counting slowly to 6, and I don't see any hands raised, and I take that as a rough consensus for the agenda, and we will start with an update for the MAG calls.
Unfortunately, I was not able to attend the last MAG calls last Tuesday, so I'm not completely up‑to‑date with anything that was said during that call, but nonetheless, you might be aware now that the decision was made that the IGF will take place completely virally, so we won't have a face‑to‑face IGF in 2020, and they already announced places that we're hosting or volunteering to host the IGF in the years to come. Has been postponed by one year, so the IGF will be hosting virtually as planned for 2020 and 2021, and then ‑‑
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>> JUTTA CROLL: And Japan in 2023. I'm not sure, but I'm thinking it might be Kobe, but it's not yet defined which city it will be.
And then also discussions were made among the MAG with the secretariat, and we got the time span, the duration of the IGF ‑‑ the virtual IGF 2020 and, and it ‑‑ the duration might be expanded. It could conflict ‑‑ I think it was an IGF meeting so originally planned dates for the IGF which were the 2nd to 6th of November are under scrutiny now. It might ‑‑ there might be a change to the state as well, so it might be two weeks virtual IGF or it might be postponed later to November, but that's not for sure yet, and I just follow up with the IGF website for any current information. I did before the call, but I couldn't find any confirmation.
Lima, do you have any news regarding the duration and the dates for the virtual meeting?
>> LIMA MADOMI: Hi, everyone, no, not yet. It's going to be decided in next MAG meeting on 21st of July.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Thank you then it was discussed during the last 2 meetings the secretariat as well as MAG members would turn to other organizations who have been running or are planning to run virtual meetings in a comparable size and number of attendees in the meeting to learn from their experiences, so those who have felt two of their huge meetings completely virtually and are going to do so also in December with their meeting for 2020, so that there is the possibility to learn from experiences, to learn more about technical issues that come along withholding such a huge gathering of people in a virtual version.
It was also mentioned in regard diversity and equal opportunities for all people to take part in such a meeting, it's ‑‑ somehow it could also be beneficial to hold the IGF completely virtually because then all participants will be on a level playing field. No one has the benefit to be in the room with the speakers and panelists so own while others can only take part remote, and then everybody will be in the same situation.
Given, of course, that we have differences and access to the internet and bandwidth still in many areas of the world so one consideration was also to set up as much remotes in as much population where people don't have enough bandwidth on their own at that point.
I see that Siva has raised his hand, and I would give the floor to you, Sivas, so please go ahead.
>> SIVAS MUTHUSAMY: Is there any discussion coming up with a suitable design by a remote meeting, so when we have a face‑to‑face meeting we conduct meeting in a certain way but where it comes whether remote ‑‑ comes to all the remote meetings, the meeting may have to follow a different form definite concurrent sessions we may have to be linear sessions. Where sessions don't clash with another one. Sessions may have to be minimized not 60 workshops or 80 workshops. Has there been any discussion on that? Thank you.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Yes, I'm going to answer that in a minute because I see also another has a question, and we'll try to answer both in one way.
>> SIVAS MUTHUSAMY: Yes.
>> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN: Judith Hellerstein for the record. We're wondering when you're in a virtual meeting looking at issues that affect people with disabilities specifically, you know, people not just with ‑‑ you know, not just with having the captionings but also with how cameras are faced on people. The camera on people and the lighting on people ‑‑ the lighting behind them and clothes ‑‑ remote virtual backgrounds, all those are issues that affect people with disabilities, and so I think we need to take all those into account. We're looking at those particular issues also as well as the hubs ‑‑ my question on the hubs would be ‑‑ would be would IGF be funding these? And would ‑‑ if they are funding these, would they be in places that are accessible to people with disabilities to come in and would they also be showing on the ‑‑ a separate screen for captioning or if needed a sign language interpretation, that type of thing, so those are my general questions, thank you.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Okay. I'm trying to take some notes, not to forget so give me a second.
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>> JUTTA CROLL: With regard to the ‑‑ to the accessibility of those hubs and also the accessibility of the whole setting of the meeting, I cannot answer that completely yet. I don't know whether it was addressed in the last MAG meeting that I wasn't able to attend completely, but I will definitely take it forward to our meeting in the next week, so that all these things like the lighting the setting in the rooms, and so on, the video we'll take into consideration the needs of people with disabilities.
You might be aware that we changed the platform from WebEx to Zoom. I do think it was 1.5 years ago, 18 months ago or so based on a decision that WebEx was ‑‑ didn't provide for enough accessibility especially for people for site impaired or implied blind, so we ‑‑ if we go ahead with Zoom as a platform, we at least have a platform that is ‑‑ provides a better amount of accessibility than we have the situation with WebEx.
With regard to the funding, that's also a question. The funding of the remote that I cannot answer yet. I know that such a virtual internet governance needs a new calculation on the effort and the ‑‑ that was already set, and I think that the calculation of the batched and what is necessary to set up a virtual IGF is already finalized. I think that is a work in progress.
With regard to ‑‑ to your question, Sivas, it was already discussed how the program and the shape of the whole event could be adapted to that virtuality. It was sad that there should not be any workshops clashing with main sessions, no overlaps in that regard, and it was also considered whether we should have less sessions in parallel than we have at a face‑to‑face meeting, and that is influencing the question whether it's a two‑week internet governance or only a one‑week as was set before, so we also need to take into account that people are in different time zones so there are ‑‑ at the moment two‑draft programs on the table: One that was considering to have it still within the timeframe of one week, but that would mean we would probably have a longer duration over the ‑‑ a day starting maybe at 8:00 in the morning, and then finishing at 10:00 in the evening, so that you have a longer time span where you can have the workshops and not so many workshops in parallel.
Other people planned for a two‑weeks timeframe, so that you would not have such a long duration over the day, but each day changing a bit from one day starting early in the morning and going till early afternoon in that respective time zone with ‑‑ on the next day starting maybe in the same time zone around noon, and then going later into the evenings, so that it's more convenient for people in different time zones to take part, but that's, as I said before, it's not yet decided.
I'm trying to read the chat, and I see Marie‑Laure raised her hand.
>> MARIE‑LAURE LEMINEUR: You mentioned at the end of your comment the time zones, and I think ‑‑ I think the planning and the planning, and you're looking at options. Evidently, it's going to be quite complex to decide, you know, starting time and ending time and trying to have the sessions, so that's people across time zones can connect, and it's not done at impossible hours. I'm aware of that, and I know it's going to be challenging, but I would just making the comments. Thank you.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Thank you, Jutta. I would the difference for the two different timetables for one‑week and two‑week IGF are already published on the IGF website, but, you know, maybe you know better?
Lima?
Okay. Maybe we've lost connection with Lima, so I'm trying to answer the questions in the ‑‑ in the chat, and that was again, Sivas, in regards of the hubs, hubs, people might live in rural areas where they don't have access to the internet in a way that allows ‑‑ allows them to follow video stream from ‑‑ from the IGF. And to interact with the speakers and panelists, and so on, so the ‑‑ so like having an internet cafe with enough bandwidth, so people could gather and attend the virtual IGF together in a room.
So Lima, would you like to chime in regard the two options were already published on the IGF website? I do think so.
We cannot hear you, Lima.
>> LIMA MADOMI: Now.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Yes, now we can hear you.
>> LIMA MADOMI: I don't know. There was some problem with my microphone or something. I'm sorry about that.
So, yes, I'm looking at the description that Jutta was giving for the MAG meeting, the two week MAG meeting, as soon as I find it I will post it in the chat for the DCs, so you can look at that.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Okay. Thank you.
>> LIMA MADOMI: Yes, yes.
>> JUTTA CROLL: So regard to the virtual performance, the situation is also all the workshop proposals shall receive the answer that their workshop ‑‑ those who were chosen for the program, so the proposals of these workshops will get feedback they're workshops are accepted conditionally, and they need to confirm that they are ready to hold the session on a virtual basis.
Make that easier for workshop proposals who usually plan for their speakers there and everything ‑‑ the working group on workshop evaluation has produced documents that gives guidance to organizers, how to organize a completely virtual session, and that would be for my perspective also where we could and mention the needs for people with disabilities, so that workshop proposals in advance know that they are running their workshop in a very, very special situation and that they need to take into consideration that there are people who attend to that session who might not be able to see the slides, would might not be able to interact in the same way with the ‑‑ with the other participants, so that their needs are taken into account.
Again, I must say that I don't know yet whether the document ‑‑ the guidance document is completely finished or whether it's still in progress so, but I will go back to my colleagues from the working group on virtual evaluation and bring in that point that it's necessary to take into account the needs with people with disability when preparing for holding a virtual session at the IGF.
Yes, Judith, I see your comment in the chat, and I would like to invite you to work with us in that working group and bring in your perspective. I'm pretty sure we can send you the draft document of guidance for workshop proposals, so we really work with your input in that regard.
Are there further questions in regards to the virtual meeting?
I don't see any hands, so I'm ‑‑ I do think it would make sense to go forward to our next point, which is the DCs main session and substantive papers.
Sivas, would you like to take over and take ‑‑ tell us how far we have come with that document that we've already been working on collaboratively?
>> SIVAS MUTHUSAMY: Yes, I don't mind. Just give me a moment.
So this idea of a main system proposal from the DCs, it came up in one of the previous DC meetings, and it was decided that the strawman document be opened and thought document was opened about six weeks ago, and there was some delay in all DCs receiving the document because the email message about the document did not reach all the DCs as soon as it was opened. And at the moment, the document remains the initial draft with some comments from Jutta and others and ‑‑ but the document status as of today, I'd encourage all the DCs to contribute to the document and bring it to good shape. Thank you, Jutta.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Thank you, Sivas.
Lima, I do think ‑‑ I would like to give over to you again because you put on the agenda the substantive papers, and we agreed, as I remembered our last meeting that dynamic coalitions put in a paper what they laid out what their substantive dynamic coalition ‑‑ how they have been dealing with the COVID‑19 pandemic, how their work was affected by the pandemic, how they reacted to the situation, so that we could build our session around the experiences that dynamic coalitions have made during the last month, up to the IGF. Like telling stories, what challenges you have faced and how you have been able to cope with these or where you're still in a situation where it's not possible, maybe, to run the work of the dynamic coalition as you had planned before, so that's mainly the main session would turn around these sessions and issues
And also somehow trying to move us forward to be better prepared in a situation that might come up again with another pandemic or any restrictions to our public and social life.
>> LIMA MADOMI: Yes, thank you, Jutta. Thank you for giving me the floor. I don't know if you can hear me.
>> JUTTA CROLL: We can hear you well.
>> LIMA MADOMI: Yes, before this call, me and Markus, we were having a short call about the DC statement, and so far I received a statement regarding the main session and how the irrespective dynamic coalition were affected by the pandemic. And all of this information, so some of the DCs were having a bit of difficulties in sending their papers to the IGF. They asked me for ‑‑ they were sending some emails and asking for an extension, so we thought it would be a good idea if we could give two more weeks for our dynamic coalition if they are having any ‑‑ if they are having any updates regarding your paper, and they want to upgrade the papers, and they want to send a new, more comprehensive version as the DCs were requesting or if those DCs couldn't submit the paper the end of June, and they want to participate in the main session and want to submit and their papers, so they can submit their papers.
Ultimately, we received 8 papers, which is ‑‑ the papers are like ‑‑ really ‑‑ thank you so much for all those dynamic coalitions they sent and all the dynamic coalitions that want to submit their paper now they could, like, submit it in two more weeks if we want to agree with this idea and if you guys also agree with giving an extension for two more weeks for our dynamic coalitions if they want to submit their papers, so they can they can work on it too. That's what I discussed with Markus just before this call.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Any more comments from the DC representatives?
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>> JUTTA CROLL: I don't see any comments so far, so we need to be aware that probably there will be another main session that is dealing with the COVID‑19 pandemic. It was already suggested to have such a main session, but it's not yet finalized. MAG is working on the problem of the main sessions, so it might turn out that it's necessary to frame the dynamic coalition Cessna way that it's different from the main session that is already suggested by the MAG on COVID‑19.
>> LIMA MADOMI: As Jutta also said there would be a main session about the COVID and impact specifically. It might be a high‑level session so if the DCs want to ‑‑ like it would be good if the DCs work on this COVID‑19, and then we discuss as a board but which does not overlap with a session that the MAG is planning to have during the IGF.
>> JUTTA CROLL: I'm pretty sure that we can provide further information after the MAG call in one week's time on that plans for other high‑level main session.
Sivas, you've raised your hand. Please take the floor, Sivas.
>> SIVAS MUTHUSAMY: Okay. This idea of proposal from the DCs for the main session is not to have another main session apart from the main session that MAG is planning and apart from the main session that we usually have. The idea that DCs should be involved in the planning of the main session and rather than wait for a proposal to emerge from MAG or a proposal to be placed in public view, this was to suggest a topic pro ‑‑ proactively suggest a topic for the main system. All DCs join together to propose a topic and go through the whole exercise, so this would not be in conflict whatever stuff MAG is planning but to contribute to the work of the MAG. Thank you.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Yes, thank you, Sivas, for your input. I don't think we ‑‑ we just need to avoid that it's overlapping. That we have two sessions addressing the same issues.
I do think from the initial idea of this session, it might be different from what MAG members are considering yet, but I don't know so. We just need to look to see what the MAG has suggested. We said early on that the dynamic coalitions are working on this proposal. We also made available a link to the documents, so that other MAG members could see what the dynamic coalitions are working on but still we might end up with a two sessions of MAG addressing the COVID‑19 pandemic, which is not a real issue because we, of course ‑‑ of course we will have several workshops addressing certain issues on the COVID‑19 pandemic, and so definitely this will be a major topic in the room when we have the virtual IGF under these conditions. That's obvious.
Oh, I see Markus has joined us now.
Markus, can you hear us?
>> MARKUS KUMMER: Yes, can you hear me?
>> JUTTA CROLL: Yes, we can hear you.
>> MARKUS KUMMER: I apologize. I was not at home I thought I would be able to join you, but I didn't, so I had to rush back. Go ahead, my apologies.
>> JUTTA CROLL: We are just on the second point of our agenda on the DCs main session and the substantive papers ‑‑ it was discussed that we would like to have an extension of two weeks, so that all dynamic coalitions who would like to contribute to the session can prepare for their papers and the moment you joined, we were discussing that the MAG already has suggested to have a main session ‑‑ a high‑level main session on the COVID‑19 pandemic, and we were considering whether ‑‑ how we could avoid that ‑‑ that the two sessions overlapping, so I don't know whether you were able to attend ‑‑ whether you were able to attend the MAG meeting last Tuesday.
Do you have any information on the further development of these plans for having a COVID‑19 pandemic main session?
>> MARKUS KUMMER: I had similar problems, and I was unable to join the first part of the meeting, and I was kicked off due to connectivity, so I can't help there, but it's excellent ‑‑ the extension of a deadline is exactly what I would have proposed as well.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Okay. Great, so probably we can provide a dynamic coalitions also with more information after next week's MAG meeting, and then see how we shape the COVID‑19 session.
If there aren't any further questions in regard of the main session, I would go ahead to our third point on the agenda, which is finalizing the DCs guidelines. I thought I have seen Michael on the ‑‑ oh, yes, Michael is on the call.
Michael, would you like take the floor in regard of the DCs guidelines?
>> MICHAEL OGHIA: Sure. Hi, everyone. Michael here. Thank you for that, Jutta, and frankly there isn't much more to say. We ‑‑ some people had some comments between the last ‑‑ actually V2‑2 June, and it's old now and there were some very tiny, tiny word changes here, much in the background and nothing in the guidelines and nothing in the updated one so frankly I think that they're perfectly fine send to whoever it is to approve them. We can't just do that ourselves.
Of course, any additional incite or oversite or any additional comments are appreciated, but I think it's pretty straightforward, and I think it just helps us get on a better timeline going forward, basically, immediately than what I think we've had before.
So if everyone is okay with it, then I don't know. Maybe the motion ‑‑ we adopt it, and it needs to go to the mailing list or we need to have a vote ‑‑ can anybody actually explain the process for approving this? JUTTA CROLL: Marcus, could you probably answer this question.
>> MARKUS KUMMER: I can try. I don't have any hard and fast ‑‑ essentially we operate on the basis of consensus, but I think it would give a last opportunity to all dynamic coalitions to comment within a given deadline ‑‑ why don't we add another two weeks and unless we hear any dissecting voices with whatever we can, just assume that we have a rough and a broad consensus on that, and we can then ask for that presented to the MAG's substance endorsement. We should expect the formality that it's under the oversight of the MAG, and I think the MAG would very welcome that we have clarified some of the dates which were not totally clear. And, again, many thanks to Michael for doing an excellent job on that.
But that is, again, my suggestion. I don't think we have any hard and fast rules, but I think we should respect the basic principles of having a bottom‑up conclusive decision‑making process.
By putting it on the list and maybe giving it another two weeks deadline and unless there is any major dissent consider it approved by all the dynamic coalitions. That's my suggestion.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Thank you, Markus.
We could also report back that Markus, and I have informed the MAG that the dynamic coalitions are working on improving their guidelines, and it was very well received by MAG members that the dynamic coalitions are collaboratively working on ‑‑ or these guidelines again.
Any questions in regard of the guidelines?
Sivas, is that an old hand or would you like to speak up to the guidelines?
>> SIVAS MUTHUSAMY: It's a one hand, thank you.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Lima, could you go back to the agenda and share on the screen, please.
Okay. Then we have our fourth point on the agenda that is the dynamic coalition's news page, so we have on the IGF website a news page where the dynamic coalitions can publish news on ‑‑ on the work that they are doing.
Lima, could you explain ‑‑ can each of the dynamic coalitions do that on their own or do they need to send you the input and the content, and then you will put it up?
>> LIMA MADOMI: Hi, everyone, again.
Thank you, Jutta, I ‑‑ so this was the idea of the ‑‑ the ‑‑ the DCs' news pages that we are having ‑‑ most of the DCs wanted to share some of their updates in the IGF newsletter, but we cannot write the whole update in the IGF newsletter.
As you can see on the screen currently the IGF newsletter has specific sections for all their ‑‑ all intercessional work of the IGF which includes BPFs as well as dynamic coalitions, and we tested it specifically in the IGF criteria, and we thought it would be a good idea if we have a page specifically for the dynamic coalitions' news if they have an update or they have anything they want to share in their IGF and newsletter, and this is what we come up with. This is a dynamic coalition news page and the dynamic coalitions who are interested, and they have an update like short news, it doesn't need to be very long news, but we can always put a link to the news link we are having for a dynamic coalitions on internet and jobs, youth coalition and internet and jobs and some have updates on their work, and then we can always be directed to their website or to any of the page that they want or the information can be, and that ‑‑ and it will also be reflected in the IGF newsletter, which is ‑‑ which you can see in the last newsletter which was sent in the mid‑June to the list. It included DC latest news and in here was this short one‑line information about news, and then it was redirected to the dynamic coalitions' news and anyone who is interested to update here ‑‑ to have their news in the space they can send me the news, and I will update it to their page.
Just one ‑‑ please make sure it be short news, and it should not be a very long paper, just a short news, and then we can have it in the dynamic coalition news. Thank you.
If anyone has any questions, yeah, please.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Thank you so much, Lima, not only for your report on the dynamic coalitions news site but also on the work that you're doing in this regard and I do think it's a very good opportunity for dynamic coalitions to make the public more aware that dynamic coalitions are doing, so I'm very glad to see that there are already a lot of news from different dynamic coalitions, and those have not yet published anything, I would really encourage you to consider what it's worth to be reported from the work you're doing as a dynamic coalition.
Then we come to our next to last point on the agenda, I do think, cooperation ‑‑ DCs cooperation, so we had already considered when we were talking about our remaining session that we ‑‑ that we became aware that there ‑‑ there are many processes are going on and much work is done that is interrelated between the different ‑‑ the various dynamic coalitions, so I'm not sure whether we are going to discuss also how we could formalize this type of cooperation or whether we just are going further in cooperating between the dynamic coalitions, the news page ‑‑ news site would also be a good way to learn more about the work of other dynamic coalitions to find out what are the options for cooperation, and I would like to open the floor to the dynamic coalitions just to learn from your experiences in collaboration, to learn about your ideas how this could be further done.
Yes, Olivier, take the floor.
>> OLIVIER LEBLOND: Well, we've done a lot of work with the dynamic coalition ‑‑
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>> OLIVIER LEBLOND: On IoT. We've had several joint meetings both during the IGFs but also outside of the IGFs, but that has helped with broad anything our audience, broad anything the topics that we're speaking about, to do our own work on our side, and we also do work with other dynamic coalitions and sometimes getting people to actually take part in more than one dynamic coalition. Often, people are dragged in by their circle of friends and colleagues and acquaintances that have brought them to the table because of one topic, and then they start discovering other topics that are sometimes interrelated, so that's one thing we found is really helpful. I feel really, really positive of this idea of having more an interdynamic coalition. I think the topics that we work on related are very much aligned with some of the topics other dynamic coalitions working on and sometimes ‑‑
(Inaudible.)
>> OLIVIER LEBLOND: Some are more advanced than ours on some of those topics, so I would urge cooperation and ‑‑
>> JUTTA CROLL: Olivier, it's very difficult to hear everything. You have a lot of background.
>> OLIVIER LEBLOND: Is that better.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Much better.
>> OLIVIER LEBLOND: My microphone just slipped down. I'm outside. It's a bit noisy. Do I have to restart everything or just the last part?
>> JUTTA CROLL: I could understand some, but Sivas has already ‑‑
>> SIVAS MUTHUSAMY: Restart.
>> OLIVIER LEBLOND: I was, basically, saying the dynamic coalitions has been collaboration with dynamic coalitions on IoT both at the dynamic meetings and on the intercessional work and some of the papers we've been working on, and ‑‑ you know, it's been really helpful because members of one coalition that sometimes come in to this because they've come in via a specific channel are not so much aware of the other DCs. We are aware as DC leaders of the work of the other DCs because we meet so many times but not so much our members, and I think that it's great when you see members that will then go from one DC to another and, you know, in general they're ‑‑ because they're part of a DC they really do things, and so they then move on and help out with the other DC as well.
I also mentioned that I think that some of the work that we do in the coordinated values has already been picked up by some other DCs and, in fact, they've advanced even further because they picked it up earlier than we have or focusing on a specific point which we would greatly benefit from, so I can only but approve and certainly encourage that we as a group of dynamic coalitions work more closely together and really ‑‑ really try and help each other out on this. Thank you.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Okay. Thank you so much for this comment and the encouragement for the other dynamic coalitions to do so as well.
Any other dynamic coalition who has something to report on collaboration or who would like to make a comment in regards how collaboration could be approved or supported by your cofacilitators or by the IGF secretariat, please go ahead.
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>> JUTTA CROLL: It seems everybody is content with the situation as it is. No further comments in this regard.
>> OLIVIER LEBLOND: Jutta, it's Olivier again.
Just one thing you know we all pretty much can or know each other personally having seen each other a number of times in the past, but I notice there's quite a few DCs that are new coming on the scene, it might be helpful to ask everyone if they are okay with sharing each other's email addresses, so we can contact each other directly because I certainly see a few names whose emails I don't know by heart or at least a lot of a record of. I guess with GDPR, I guess you need to obtain consent, and I'm not asking this to be published on a public page. I'm just saying sharing each other's email addresses. Thanks.
>> JUTTA CROLL: So I suggest that it would be best to organize that with the secretariat, so that those people who agree to have their email addresses shared among dynamic coalition members would send a short message to Lima, so that she can prepare a list that is then shared among dynamic coalition members.
Judith, you have raised your hand.
>> Judith: He yes it's Judith Hellerstein for the record. We have different members who are willing to work with all the different other dynamic coalitions to make sure that simple issues on accessibility are ‑‑ take into account ‑‑ and I think the paper that the MAG ‑‑ that we're going to be working on to ‑‑ with the others on the workshop presentations will be very also helpful in all virtual meetings on simple ideas of awareness training to get the DCs to be more aware of certain activities or actions just like, for example, here ‑‑ when we share slides ‑‑ when we share a screen, people's screen‑readers can't read it so always put a link to what you're sharing in the chat. Always make sure that it is on some other place or that you send it in advance to some other people. Some simple ideas like that to make sure that virtual meetings are really accessible to everyone.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Ah, yes, thank you, Judith for your valuable comments. I can read out also from the chat comment from Noha from the youth coalition on internet governance which tell us that the dynamic coalition on access to libraries has reached out to the youth coalition to share the youth perspective in their main session. Noha is unable to speak, so that's why she has written that in the chat, and I do think it's very helpful to know from the activities that go across various dynamic coalitions, and giving us an example of best practice policy and work out if there's similarities or parallels in the work that is done and how the dynamic coalitions can benefit from each other. Can we. We have a longstanding cooperation with the dynamic coalition on the internet of things and, of course, there are issues that need to be addressed from both sides from the interactive ways how the internet of things can improve everyday life and also from the child safety perspective how that has an impact on children's lives as well.
We are coming close to the top of the hour, so I'm calling upon the last point in our agenda, which is any other business. Do we have to report anything? Is anybody ready to add any other business? I'm giving that a slow count to 6.
Olivier as well, and then Sivas. First Olivier, and then Sivas?
>> OLIVIER LEBLOND: I thought I turned my hand down. Is my hand up. I can't see it up here.
>> JUTTA CROLL: It was down. It was up a second ago.
>> OLIVIER LEBLOND: Strange.
>> JUTTA CROLL: Sivas?
>> SIVAS MUTHUSAMY: Sivas, obviously, I'm not following the developments closely or there's a change the way MAG meetings are held. It used to be open for others to join as observers. Is it still the same way or is MAG completely closed now? Thank you.
>> JUTTA CROLL: I'm not aware of any change to the conditions for MAG members, for MAG meetings, so the MAG meetings are open for ‑‑ to be attended by usually you're only allowed to speak in the open consultations, so that these regular meetings usually the first day of the MAG meeting, but the virtual MAG meetings from my knowledge are open.
Lima ‑‑
>> OLIVIER LEBLOND: I can confirm they are open.
>> LIMA MADOMI: Hi, can I jump?
>> JUTTA CROLL: Yes, please.
>> LIMA MADOMI: Yes, the MAG meetings are open and anyone ‑‑ who any of the DCs who would like to participate in any of the MAG meeting either virtual or physical they can find dates for each MAG meeting in the IGF calendar and from there they can join.
Also, I shared the link for the IGF calendar for a look there and people can see each MAG meeting information is shared
>> JUTTA CROLL: The meetings are usually held on a Tuesday in a two-weeks turn, and we usually have early in the afternoon, late in the afternoon and late in the evening always in Geneva. That's in Geneva time, so that's possible to attend for all parts of the world.
You may find on the internet governance website for the call of the renewal for the MAG is open now until 25th of August so any of you who might be interested to become a member of the MAG you can just go ahead. You can apply yourself for becoming a MAG member. You could also suggest people to become a MAG member to the secretary‑general, and then the decision shall be made on the new MAG members before this year's IGF, so as early as possible, and
And, Sivas, I didn't know but maybe you have ‑‑ you have come across the description of MAG members and MAG meetings that is provided on the call for new MAG members and ‑‑ I was confused as well because there it says something about MAG meetings that they are open for MAG members, but I'm pretty sure it's correct that MAG meetings still are open for attendees who are not MAG members under the condition that you are always allowed to speak up in the session. It depends, and you can also claim to be allowed to speak but usually the meetings are for MAG members to speak.
>> SIVAS MUTHUSAMY: Thank you, Jutta.
>> JUTTA CROLL: It's the top of the hour, and I don't see any further hands, so we have finished our meeting by now. Thank you all for attending. We have agreed to have an extended deadline of two weeks for sending in your substantive papers for the dynamic coalitions' main session, and we also have a two‑weeks timeframe for any further comments on our DC guidelines, and then we will follow the steps that Markus has suggested to ‑‑ to approve the dynamic coalitions ease guidelines. Thank you so much and have a nice evening, morning, day, however the time is in your time zone. Thank you, bye.
>> CART PROVIDER: You have a great rest of the day.