IGF 2023 - Day 4 - Launch / Award Event #113 ISOC Alumni Network: Empowering Internet Governance - RAW

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>> Good afternoon everyone.  This is the online session, the role of

  the Internet Governance.  Our conversation is in collaboration,

  recognize our achievements throughout the year.  And shed light on the

  unparalleled contributions to the Internet Governance.  From our

  inspiring ambassador to -- Felos, and so on, our main -- the essence of

  the collective strength and purpose of the Internet Governance.  As we

  delve deep into today's discussion we show that 2023, and the network,

  the significance in the context of the Internet Governance.  Throughout

  this session we will unpack the variety of activities hosted by the

  network, there are mr than fo activities throughout the year.  From

  work focussing on vital tops like encryption and Internet

  fragmentation, to -- at the IGF which play a crucial role in

  connections during large scale meetings.  These platforms epitomize the

  network's commitment to continuing connection, and still holding

  principles.  But that's not all.  Today headlines will include a deep

  dive into the highlight of the fo 23 monthly -- where we reflect on the

  outcome the and from each of the workshops, with topics from

  AIgovernance, community networks and so on.  Then the chafrt on the

  coffee charts with our he is steeped colleague here.  Emphasizing the

  value of the -- in the community.  Then discussion on our huddles in

  the role of various global leaders like IGF, bright score and other

  IGF.  Our session's ultimate goal with the submission for an opening in

  the connected network w we are here to foster stronger bonds and raise

  volunteerism in our ISOC committee.  And our collective work towards an

  inclusive system.

    So now thank you so much for finding us.  Let's embark on this

  journey together.  So first I will give the floor to Lilly, to talk

  about the coffee chats.

    >> LILY EDINAM BOTSYIEl  thank you Nicolas for the overview.  For

  everything that the network has been up to this year.  It's exciting to

  see how we are able to rally the support amongst ourselves to be able

  to dot work we do.  And you mentioned rightly the spirit, that the

  learning doesn't end and to bring ourselves to the for front to be able

  to do this and attend the conversation is really inspiring.  Just to

  say that a huge shout out to the team at ISOC for their continuous

  support and to Mauricery who has let us keep on the work we've been up

  to since our fellowship days to those who also joined ISOC on the ISOC

  learning platform.  All of those people are also invited to be a part.

  This is why we see the continuous growth amongst ourself and for the

  community we interface with.  Today I want to talk about the coffee

  chats and what it has -- means to us as a -- think of the coffee chats

  as a place where we are able to unwind and unpack at the same time.  So

  think of an informal setting where we're able to discuss I have been us

  that's in line with the Internet so sient on strengthening the Internet

  and empowering people to take action.  For the first nine, ten months,

  nine months the 10 -- is coming on the 18th of October.  We've been at

  the coffee chat every month.  An approach where the foyers 30 minutes

  is giving a speaker to speak on the topic and then we have the room

  open for people to discuss.

    Now, we've gone through issues that discuss -- and issues related to

  what Internet society has transformed for, allowing young people to

  bring our voices to the forefront and see how we can gather support on

  the grassroot level to make things that are actionable towards the

  goals for Internet society.  For everywhere across the world to have

  people join in, the idea was to have among ourselves and I see people

  taking interest on the learning on the platform so they can join some

  of these conversations.  It's been growing from time to time.  Talking

  about inscription, talking about how to take action, talking about how

  to even rally support what's this you're doing.  Things around policy

  and a lot of the things what enrich the sessions.  For continuation in

  the past we speak about gender bias and AI, going to be a continuation

  this month and this is a clarion call for an announcement that goes out

  and plan to be a part of it.  We have it in a relaxed way.  If you have

  any questions that has been on your mind, something that has been

  probably on your heart, and you want to reach aspect in the space, with

  Internet society as an organisation, and just people will walk in the

  space, you can seize opportunity to use the one to ask any questions.

  One that wouldn't -- wouldn't get people to judge you, you can be

  yourself and you can learn while at it.  At the end of it we end with

  action.  Something that's actionable and ask that you go and work with

  it.  Make the implementation follow after the conversation.  In essence

  coffee chat starts for -- for those who haven't been a part, please

  seize the opportunity.  Many of you to be hosts, speakers and also join

  the conversation to enrich it.  With that I'm going to give back the

  floor to you, Nicholas and our colleague continues.  Thank you.

    >> NICOLAS FLUMARELLI:  Thank you Lilly, it's important the work of

  the coffee chats because it's a place where all share insights in an

  informal manor.  Now we are switching to Marco.  Marko is the leader of

  one of the youth coalition on Internet governance.  Have been involved

  in shaping the discussions in the ISOC met York because the youth is a

  place where you can also find other colleagues and the volunteers,

  spirit to help us developing a show, getting senior speakers.  So

  Marco, the floor is yours.

    >> MARKO PALOSKI:  Thank you Nico.  I'm here as part of the Internet

  governance as a steering committee from Europe.  Together with nick

  co-spart of the steering committee for this year.  The youth coalition

  in intern governance is to collaborate and network with young people

  under 35 years old and to help them navigate through the Internet

  governance world.  We have several activities that we are doing through

  the whole of the year.  One of them is preparing proposals for sessions

  for IGF.  Like this one here.

    This year we had I think together with the youth standing group on

  Internet society over 150 submissions which 10 percent of them were

  selected around 50 sessions here are the sessions that we helped and

  collaborate together with all the youth people to better structure

  them, to help them during the drafting, phase of commission prosal.

  There is a -- that needs to be taken and from someone who is new in

  this world it might be hard to navigate to this.  That's why our -- one

  of our activities is to make working groups on the topics and prepare

  them and together to submit the proposals from the youth.

    Another thing that we are doing is we have also biweekly newsletter

  where we share opportunities and opportunities for you people like

  jobs, fellowship ps, events happening.  A lot of stuff.  Together with

  Internet society we are doing mentorship programme.  Where we open a

  call for mentors to mentor the new cohort of youth ambassadors from

  Internet society.  Some of us already mentors and have been part of

  this process.  It's crucial and important this kind of activity because

  navigating the youth or the new generation of Internet ambassadors,

  it's very crucial to have a mentor, someone who can guide them or give

  their experience to more easily flow into the world of Internet

  governance.  Other topics that similar lik we mentioned in the

  beginning are sharing of the -- we have mailing list which is very

  active.  We are sharing happenings between the youth and the Internet

  governance space.  The what I think blog posts and from time to time

  organising some events like activities where we do -- on a specific

  topic where we can share the experience of other youth, what they are

  doing.  How they are doing.  So to be known and maybe collaborate to

  them -- with them in the future.

    But is important thinking the networking part.  So I would say it's

  one of the crucial thing that is a coalition we are doing.  And we are

  actively each year as we are here presenting the IGF in Japan, so I

  would think again to nick co-for the time here to explain the youth

  coalition in Internet governance and get back to his mic.

    >> NICOLAS FLUMARELLI:  Thank you Marko, thank you so much.  We are

  passing the floor to Sara, and Bamba, both are of IGF.  Sara is

  coordinator of the youth Ethiopia, and the other is of youth in nay

  Pell.  First sa R Sara and we talk a little about the initiatives.

    >> Thank you very much Nikko for giving me the chance to speak on my

  project.  As nick co-said my name is Sava, the coordinator of the youth

  IG of Ethiopia, I'm on ISOC and served as the last year's -- last year

  ambassador programme of the 2022.  So I want to be sharing just a

  little about the project that we were -- been doing since last year.

    So as ISOC youth ambassador of 2022, my teammates, cat Trina pan me

  were working on a project called to youth participation in Internet

  governance.  This project includes the concept not in -- as a concept

  paper for the modern IGF.  So currently we have collected some of the

  materials for all parts of the talk mainly.  And the model IGF is

  currently in the process of the completion.

    With that kit we expect to complete the first edition in the coming

  two months.  So as the model IGF, concept paper.  Just to talk a little

  bit about the project, the project is the mapping existing -- and

  crafting the model IGF.  So we use the three principles first of all.

  And the first one is choose, it's really provide a reliable information

  shown on the site of the programme.  So we provide the website address,

  and also reference at the bottom of each page for further double-check

  and reference.  And secondly, it is a systematic and user friendly

  because it provides an easy way for young people to participate in a

  global governance of Internet so we collected the materials at two

  levels of the first are the global levels and second at a regional

  level.  Or a national level.  We also noticed that there are other ways

  rather than IGF to provide the engagement of Internet governance.  So

  we included first advanced stage and second academic prizes.

    Yeah.  So once it is published, you will take it -- take a look at

  it.  And we'll know how and what to choose had a first on your own, on

  situation.  So just to talk a little bit about my apprenticeship

  programme.  It has really opened -- I can say it has really opened new

  doors for me and for my teammates I open.  It has provided me

  opportunities to network with like-minded young liters, professionals,

  experts.  From around the world.  And I can say that it was a

  phenomenal experience for all of us.  For all of our -- the use youth

  ambassadors.  So after this programme I joined a network and had the

  privilege to be part of some of the sessions to speak my ideas and also

  to moderate some of the session on -- especially on encryption.  So

  personally and also professionally I can say that this programme has

  really empowered me due to the amazing people in my network and also

  amazing people that has been invited to the sessions to give us or to

  share their expertise with us:

    So to this year these ambassadors, I would like to say that just take

  this opportunity as a stepping stone to a bright future.  In your

  career or in your life.  This programme really can lead you to advocate

  for an open Internet.  Or become an expert on ints net-related fields

  or issues.  And just dedicate yourself truly to this programme and just

  make a most out of it.

    Thank you very much Nico and hand it over to you.

    >> NICOLAS FLUMARELLI:  Thank you.  And hand this over to you --

    >> Thank you -- my name is and NAD, I coordinate youth anypal and if

  you Wonder what is IGF youth Nepal, we organise the yum he shall

  version of Internet Governance Forum like this where we organise

  stakeholders into one session and give them opportunity to collaborate

  and work on -- and discuss on issues that are pressing on the Internet

  currently.  So as part of youth IGF Nepal, we also do different

  capacity building programmes for youth.  Last year we were able to send

  out three fellows to India school on Internet governance.  By providing

  them travel support and also encourage our young community members to

  actually apply for different fellowship programmes and capacity

  building programmes.  Out of Nepal as well.

    So by doing that our fellows who have been representing outsite Nepal

  come back to our system and then engage with more -- and like give back

  to the community.  That's why the youth IGF Nepal community is growing

  a lot.  We have more than 20 embassy members rielg now.  We work to

  make youth IGF Nepal -- we have been contributing in different

  ecosystem and into society itself, joining different sending group and

  different special interest group.  Working on different issues back in

  Nepal and contributing to the whole IGF ecosystem.

    Also we as a youth IGF Nepal are helping to organisation Asia Pacific

  youth IGF and again some of our Fellows are contributing to the Asia

  Pacific regional IGF and some of them have been working online these

  IGF sessions and this is how we do our capacity building and similarly

  we also are part of the bigger coalition, youth IGF Nepal is a founding

  coalition of different tal firm coalition.  Organises different tal

  freedom summit annually where we talk about the broader digital human

  right issues and digital aids and we organise a summit annually.  This

  year we will arguing on the 9th of December where we will not only

  invite youth stakeholders, also other stakeholders to actually talk

  about the pressing issues and the digital space and then like we

  collaborate with quality -- to do the capacity building events.  We are

  doing it, if there are anything else, we can come back later.  Thank

  you, Nikko.  Back to you.

    >> NICOLAS FLUMARELLI:  This is great.  The place to go local and

  apply the -- now that we have learned into our local space.  The

  organising themes.  Also having the conversation or bringing the

  conversation to our own spaces.  And reflecting as we say in the region

  as well.  It's a good way to focus on collaboration and also working

  with peers.

    So now we have here Valerie as well from the network, she is going to

  talk a little bit about our -- we have heart with different meetings,

  icon, regional IGF.  So it's very valuable to have Valerie here with

  us.  Please Valerie mention you have like five minutes to mention about

  this.

    >> Valley.  Like you said we have had a number of -- that we've held

  across different meet lgs that's with the icon meetings, with the

  rights meetings, and the digital IGFs, what we noted is we have a lot

  of young people who are spread across different fellowships who have

  previously been members of Internet data society network and what we

  aim to be able to achieve is have a full network of all our members and

  collaborate.  And build capacity for the alumni within the net work.

  What we do with these huddles is for instance when we get information

  of some of our alumni who are going to be part of the meetings, across

  ICANN, the regional IGF as well.  We come and brainstorm on how alumni

  on site can create a huddle and help us online to join the huddles and

  share networks, capacity building.  Learning from each other.  What we

  noted is some of the Internet society members had not gone to icon

  meetings.  Curious about what's the entry point and I think the alumni

  had really -- when six Nikko, the question you got from some of the

  alumnis joining us online asking how do I correlate this to Internet

  ecosystem, and ensure I get a place where I can enter the ecosystem.

  And how can someone who's coming through the Internet society youth

  ambassador programme or fellowship programme then find a way into many

  of the ICANN communities in terms of an ease into the process to be

  able to better also just give that ease of entry.  Some of the

  committees can be very complex but also having that collaborative

  nature of the alumni, having the support you require.  Having a space

  where you can constantly ask questions.  As to how do I enter, how do I

  effectively contribute.  How do I take this learnings from these

  various meetings and replicate the same at home.  I think just like

  you're saying, Nikko, the alumni huddles are here with us and something

  that we continue to pro molt.  We are having one coming in up Hamburg

  during icon 78.  So it's important fo us to have the alumni.  Our call

  would be for all the alumni to come and join us.  You can make this

  network very broad, very effective, very widely driven and very

  supportive to ensure that we keep the people within the network but

  also open it up to not within the network to join us and keep being in

  more voices of young people across the entire society and network and

  other meetings as well.  Thank unique co-.

    >> NICOLAS FLUMARELLI:  Thank you Valerie.  The very active process.

  And personally I was from myself a meeting another youth and -- former

  youth ambassador that I didn't know they were at the meeting at that

  moment.  It's a good place to foster this network with people that

  sometimes you cross with them and in the middle of a meeting.  And

  really don't know.  So these huddles are a place where you can say oh,

  you are a former fel fellow.  Which year?  That is starting a

  conversation having about some topics.  And also as Valerie mentioned

  for the online, there are no participating on-site in these kind of

  meetings.  They are learning and we are the ones that are on-site, are

  helping them to understand what is happening at this meeting.

    We are remembering in the ICANN 76 huddle, we touch on what is

  happening, yes, the decisions are happening with the DNS are happening

  at the moment.  The alumnis there.  Also have ideas.  Try to talk about

  this and mention about this other.  So it's a good thing to

  collaboration and definitely a way to know other former fellows or ISOC

  members, ISOC -- its a he very funny because everybody is showing the

  huddle -- see a lot of people together and say what is happening here?

  I am also from the Internet society.  So it's a very good informal way

  of doing more networking.  Now I have a very short presentation to

  share with you.

    Let me call -- show the screen.

    Excellent.  With this presentation I would like to show all the

  activities we have had throughout the year.  Talking a little about the

  outcomes of each of the workshops.  So we going to have a little of

  content or what we have learned throughout the year.  Starting from

  January.  We have our workshop with Tracy.  And some alumni.  Talking

  about opportunities in the Internet governance.  Tracie touches on what

  is the IGF, what are the different fellowships and opportunities

  available to participate in the different ecosystem meetings of the

  full Internet Governance for rum.  Then we have some storytelling for

  us about his experience with the IGF, with Internet Society what is the

  way of doing things in a multistakeholder business.  And the youth

  engagement, some concepts done for new people.  There are also

  because -- ISOC workshops are open to every Internet society member to

  know and be more attentive and how to apply also to these

  opportunities.  And also we touch on the different topics of the

  different baskets for the -- doing the reference with the book on

  Internet governance has.  The different topics.  That was a good

  workshop.  I think everybody learn a lot.  In February we have our

  second workshop that was about Internet fragmentation.  We have a very

  important senior speaker there.  Farsine from the United States.

  Internet specialist and an expert on fragmentation.  We discover

  fragmentation has different level or categories such as technical

  fragmentation, political fragmentation.  Economic fragmentation.  It's

  important to learn -- it was a very good moment for all the Internet

  society members to discuss and put the insights what are the different

  categories of the fragmentation.  It's not all about technical

  fragmentation.  There are infrastructure fragmentation or cyber

  security fragmentation.  We are talking about content moderation,

  content that could be another level of the fragmentation.  But some

  others say that that is not fragment aiths.  So we do -- it was a good

  molt to have the discussion and also about the laws.  We also had a

  guest who was from Uganda that talked about the Internet shut down in

  his country and important issue regarding pragmentation.  In March we

  had the first huddle, ICANN 76.  You have the -- you can see the --

  there and the people that showing us with hearts in Mexico.  They used

  to use these hearts and you can see the people that was online at the

  moment learning as we were mentioning in the part of the huddles.  And

  then in March we have our worship about the interplanetary networks.

  We was very glood to have been certificated the fabric of the Internet.

  With us talking about different aspects of the interplanetary network

  such as the DTN, protocol.  The protocol with disruptions communicating

  between planets, talking about the Internet out of the earth.  Then

  also about the store and forward.  Issue of how the satellites need to

  transfer these packages, not like DNS we have on earth because thee

  packets need to wait until they are a little bit -- the planet most

  closer as possible to send the packet perfectly.  So this

  technicalities and also touch on the IPNG, interplanetary network group

  in the ITF.  And also the possibility of in the future the IP protocol,

  that merge either's network with the space network.  Maybe in the

  future with this moat call we have access to Jupiter, things in

  realtime.  One knows, who knows what will be the future of this.  And

  also being served, touch on some of the NASA's role pioneering the

  Internet planetary -- there was a very good story he told about when

  they did a new protocol that is -- that was better than the previous

  one.  They needed to update the rover that was on Mars remotely.  They

  update the the protocol that the rover was using for communicating.  So

  wow, this kind of interesting things we have touched on in these

  workshops.  And I think a lot of people learn a lot about this.  Think

  that maybe it's about the Internet but outside Earth.  Right?  I don't

  want to extent in some of the things but we have plenty of time.

    But with then have some little time at the end for questions.

    Then in April we have a webinar together with the youth coalition and

  Internet society youth group that was where we started to collaborate

  with our peers.  In this webinar we saw a little bit about what is IGF,

  again what are the different intersectional activities of the sgief.

  You know, the best platform, the Dynamic Coalitions and policy

  networks.

    We explored some learning from previous years.  Sort of touch about

  youth engagement and so on.

    Then in April as well we have the youth ambassador because this year

  the meet and greet, was selected in the early months of the year

  because it's the first time the youth ambassadors are not only

  attending the Internet governance forum but also the rationale of Flora

  and the rights -- so in April all the meetings were starting in the

  year.  And we have had these meet and greet with them where it was some

  of their alumni were present.  It was a very good moment to

  establishing this networking with a new cohort.

    Then also in April we have our fourth workshop about AI governance

  and policies with our guest invited Mnugdano, from baths swan na.  Our

  guest of the night was rod reeg Goh and touch on different policy

  aspects of the artificial intelligence.  We -- in this workshop we

  discover about the ethical frameworks and transparency and explain the

  ability of the artificial intelligence.  And the deep learning

  networks.  Then about the compatibility and responsibility.  The bias

  issue.  The gender bias and the -- of the algorithms.  So prief ri

  concerns, safety and security.  Different topics on governance that was

  grateful to learn and the Internet society members to engage in this

  conversation.  Despite that -- it's not like a central topic of the

  Internet society.  We felt that it was a topic that was relevant.

  Because we were asked to -- we decide which workshops we would like to

  have.  So this topic was for sure very interesting for Internet society

  community.

    Then in May 2023 we have our four or five workshops, about community

  networks.  With very now figures such as Jane Coffin and next ISOC.  An

  expert in communications.  She touched a lot on not only community

  network but also Wi-Fi, Internet service providers, and wireless

  Internet service provider.  We touched on satellite net or so on.  What

  the mafshth in the digital divide is about.  The community networks are

  there to be constructed, to be community-based.  Initiated.  And wow

  the -- it's the way we can reach like the next period connected to the

  Internet.  So in this case we have Shar rah and kra, experience about

  community networks in Ghana and experience with the community networks.

    In June we had our huddle in Costa Rica where different colleagues

  join together for the online -- whether they were online or on site.

  Again to know the former youth ambassadors or fellows in the past.

  Wow, these huddles, that moment was when we discover -- we find out or

  figure out that the huddles are very, very good for constructing the

  network.  And then in June again we have the second ICANN in '77.  We

  have photos there.  People was very happy at the huddles.  This was in

  Washington, right?  The ICANN 77.  Tracy was there, Lilly was there.

  The people -- yes, if you see the faces, they were very, very happy.

    And what's not because of the photo, was because happy for the

  moment.  Then in June again lot of meetings in June we had huddle Euro

  DID, huddle as well where I was not there but people enjoyed a lot.

  They say that they have very good experiences also.  You know, this was

  a crucial -- this year discussing a lot about the intelligence and

  different things.  So it was very, very interesting for the ISOC

  alumnus that were there.

    Then in June as well we have the workshop on encryption, the first

  one.  A series of workshops regarding encryption that is a major topic

  covering different areas.  In that workshop we have Kyle Umbo, from

  the -- Internet society.  We have Lilly there moderating and Marko as

  well.  It was very interesting to talk about the technicalities and

  the -- more the concept of encryption.  Right?  I remember this

  workshop touched on digital signatures as well as the -- all the

  inscription different protocols that you can use.  So it's very good

  for the ones that sometimes are not so technical and want to learn what

  this encryption is about.  I always say to my students because I am a

  professor at University that you know the bright numbers you learn in

  school, two week of bright numbers is the key of the algorithms.  So

  the computer need to deal with this problem that is the factorization.

  The quantum booking is here.  This is at risk as well.

    So then we have our second workshop about encryption.  I think the

  photo is from there.

    Yeah.  I don't know what happened.  Yes.  We have several workshop --

  maybe it's -- in July 2023 we have some coffee chats about global

  encryption day.  On the 4th of July, with three rose, and Paula.  On a

  general level I think it was more about the privacy laws, the use of

  encryption in modern day policy level.

    Exactly.  With the -- Marko I remember was moderating.  We have also

  Sharon from Canada.  So what's more a conversation about the policies

  regarding encryption.

    Then we have coffee chat on your impact stories when Lilly -- Lia

  Kiessling, from the Internet society was talking about the action of

  the Internet society and what the things they were looking for from the

  action plan.  Several things.

    Then in August we have an alumni regional update.  Explaining

  Internet developments in North American region.  We have alumni from

  the Africa region and now living in the USA together with the senior

  speaker Natalie Campbell from the American governance on Internet

  affairs.  In August we had our third workshop about encryption.  I told

  you it was a series of workshops, we try and pull from the USA, the

  Internet policy, Internet society director.  And we have had Amelia

  from Poland.  To talk about a cyber security analysis and also I

  remember this session we touch on digital violence and child online

  safety.  Another topic that is related with encryption.  Right?  How to

  make sure that these -- I remember also touching on age verification

  issue and some things regarding how to protect the child online.  It

  was very interesting to talk about that.

    Then in September we have our huddle in the Africa IGF where people

  get together there in Abusha, it was and they have the huddle there

  again in the ISOC booth, the African IGF.  Another moment to share

  insights and get networking.

    Then in September as well we have our workshop about the gender bias

  in artificial intelligence with some experts as well.

    Then in October reaching to the IGF, we have our workshop about

  preparation for the global IGF.  Where yes, there were there on

  different colleagues like youth coordinators, me and Chase and Lucy was

  there.  And alumni.  So with this you can see -- let me stop sharing.

    Yes.

    So with this ladies and gentlemen as we come to the end of the

  session but it's not just the end, I am surprised by how much we have

  done this year.  Right?  I think that every year is very surprise.

  Looking back it's clear that we have been very busy and achieved a lot.

  Remember this is just our starting point.  We are all about working

  together, learning from each other.  And helping in the area of

  Internet governance.  I can see from today's energy and discussion that

  we all share this vision and are ready to do even more in the future.

  So thank you to everyone here.  Every story, idea that made today

  special.  And a good advice of the volunteers who work.  You know

  contacting the senior speakers for workshops, creating flyers,

  organising our huddles and coffee chat the.  It's all volunteer

  efforts.  This promises a bright future for the Internet -- as we think

  about next steps I am hopeful and happy and there's so much we can do,

  so many challenges, so many ways we can make a difference in the world

  of Internet governance.  Before we end let's take a moment for any

  questions or comments.  We want to hear from you and keep the

  conversation going.  Mauricia do you know if we have any questions from

  our online audience?

    >> MAURICIA ABDOL TSHILUNDA:  I have checked the chat and no

  questions as of yet.  But I will just post another comment in the chat

  to ask for more questions.  And --

    >> NICOLAS FLUMARELLI:  A question on-site here.  Maybe we will

  address the on-site here and if you want to do some closing remarks as

  well I can let you go after the person.  So yes.  Passing the

  microphone here on-site.  Thank you.

    >> Hello everyone.  First of all congratulations on all the work you

 have done this year.  And all the work as an alumnis it's great to see

  the network keep strong and with people from all around the world.  My

  name is man well la, from Brazil, I work at an NGO called -- I was an

  organiser fellow in 2018.  My question for you guys is I saw a lot of

  workshops, information, activities that are done within the network.

  But today I work with advocacy for instance.  And I see a lot of youth

  initiatives that are -- they produce manifestos and frameworks for

  design and they raise the voice of youth in claims for government

  action, for Internet action.  And this is a question like for advocacy

  perspective is what are you guys doing and is there ways to do this?

    Because for instance Internet governance forum is very important, but

  it is not a decision-making place.  So are you guys like going to the

  global digital compact, is this something that the ISOC alumni, they

  are engaged with in order decision-making spaces, as well as helping

  each other refocus on their own countries?  Because I would be very

  interested in participating in that.  Thank you.

    >> Thank you so much Emanuel la.  I was talking about what we have --

  we're trying to put together a set of checklist or how to guideline for

  advocacy for young people following our coffee chats.  In the past

  we've asked people what do you need and what advocacy are you working

  on?  And then in the coffee chat we try to give them support and say

  these are resources to enable you to make this go further or here are

  people that also working in these areas and you can partner with them.

  Because we know that the coffee chats last only for an hour there's

  alumni mailing list called I think a name for it actually.  A whole

  mailing list where you can post what you're up to in the countries.

  And say we need support for this.  People from ISOC correspondence.  To

  work on it with you.  The idea is we want to actually walk the talk in

  the coffee chats we try to make that support available.

    To resource sharing, sharing of best practices and then the training

  to be able to engage in advocacy.  The other part about how we rally

  support to advocate as a youth team, I think right now we started off

  from a -- customized for their region.  Right?  Maybe looking forward

  we can see how we can measure work to see something like what we did

  around say go to an event and talk on particular thing, alumni.  And we

  can do that together.  But for -- where ISOC works with youth, the

  standing group has prepared for global data compiled for different

  angles of whiz siz and all of that.  ISOC can use the alumni network we

  can do the projection for working together for alumni on a global level

  for what is happening with advocacy, is for everybody in their own

  countries.  That's what the coffee chat seeks to do.  I'm excited that

  you are in this session because I know how you've been asking where do

  we start.  How do we rally support.  I'm happy you're here and

  that's -- engaging and giving the right nods for us to look in the

  right direction.  That's what is happening.  And we need all this for

  you to help us in the conversations and make sure that we are

  implementing some of the things that we have spoken about in our

  sessions.  Thank you.

    (Lilly).

    >> NICOLAS FLUMARELLI:  Thank you, Lilly.  Do we have any questions?

    >> Thank you Nico.  This is Asha for the record.  I sok Internet

  course and Internet so side for education.  Thank you so much for your

  hard work in a you have been doing and I can see you made a lot of

  impact as well.  So congratulations on that.  My question is more

  related to kind of management and logistic issue.

    So youth standing is a global -- members from all around the world,

  right?  From Asia, Africa and all?  Similar with our specialist group.

  The problem we face while during the meeting there's managing the time.

  It's morning in some or it's day sometimes.  And if Europe and --

  Europe and Asia can come, it's too much, too late in America.  And also

  how do you manage that?

    >> NICOLAS FLUMARELLI:  Yes, I can answer those.

    Yes, we have agreed there is use versal -- UTC.  It's not beneficial

  sometimes for the ones that are most in the east of Asia Pacific.  So

  yes, we need to deal with that.  But it's a good point.  We will

  consider like having parallel meetings.  In the past we have had some

  activities that we have duplicated activities chth at one hour and

  maybe two hour -- 12 hours later a similar activity.  But yes sometimes

  it's difficult to have speakers, the senior speakers that has a full

  daytime occupied to have in both sessions.

    But yes, it's a good idea.  Good point.  It's a good point for the

  future workshops and activities we could have.

    So now we have a very -- we are coming to the end.  It's important to

  understand the Internet, network while a significant platform doesn't

  have a single voice like an organisation.  As Lilly said made up of

  individuals and these individuals are working through the respective

  organizations.  And -- amplify each voice and drive its mission.  So

  thank you all for being a key part of today's access.  And I will ask

  for a big round of applause for everyone.

                (Applause)

    >> NICOLAS FLUMARELLI:  And let's capture this moment with a picture,

  those here, please gather around for our online participants, Mauricia,

  can we get a snapshot as well?  Would be great.  Thank you all.

    Okay.  Let's now get a picture.

    >> MAURICIA ABDOL TSHILUNDA:  You are in a position to open your

  camera and take a picture.  If not we completely understand and will

  take the picture as -- thank you so much for joining today.