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>> MARINA ATOJI ATOJI: We are about to start our session, and I would like to ask you to please move forward.
Good morning everyone. My name is marina Atoji. I'm also joined by my co‑moderator online. His name is Igor. And this session will also have a diverse perspective from researchers. At advocates. Industry leaders. To share insights and explore technology. And can be a catalyst of change. So before we get deep entire discussion, I would like to introduce our speakers for today. We have them here. And we have have Rosanna. Also Denise, and I would a really like to thank each of you for making it here today for joining us in this session. And today is my first time moderating a session, so I'm not so sure how I feel. Excited and yeah, I hope you guys enjoy.
Yeah. So umm, before we like move further to this discussion, I would like to maybe at least say something about this session. Approximate.
As we all know climate change has been one of the most pressing issues in the world so far. And we've seen the role that technology plays in ensuring climate change is actually addressed.
We have seen different ways like renewable energies and all. But then also seen efforts that organisations and individual put to address climate change.
One thing for me I know is that with great power comes great responsibility. So more we use technology to solve environment. The more we want to find ways how we can ensure that technology doesn't really affect us. And also, Igor from online, if he can add something.
something.
>> IGOR JOSE DA SILVA: Hello. And it is honor to be here today to discuss a topic of the great importance. Climate change. And technology implementation. We are currently in critical juncture where climate change posts imminent threat. Every day we witness the devastation impacts of this change from natural disaster to the loss of biodiversity. And risk to food security. Our common home, this planet is undergoing climate change and we don't need science to confirm in this moment what we witness daily.
Extreme weather events. Change in rainfall. And rising temperatures are the earth is not as it used to be.
As young activists and representatives from different sectors, we recognize that you represent not only the future but also the present. We're not just a generation tomorrow. We are the generation of today. We understand that there are current actions have direct impact on the future we want to build. So the urgency of the climate issues drive us to act now. To take responsibility and persuade of the solutions. So this is where technology plays a crucial role. And however, we are not alone in this journey. So history has taught us that humanity is capable of overcome the most complex challenge when we come together and act. Climate technology, including renewable energy such as wind, solar and hydro power, as well as adaptive practises, and early warning systems are ally in the fight against climate change. They offer hope and concrete solutions to address this global challenge. But truly as we said is all we can do in this moment? Or how do we address fundamental questions like this and to new perspectives from each of you.
This session aims to broaden perspectives on the whole of technology and address climate change. And identify types of technology and investment needed to achieve our goals. And understand implications of the environment scenario. Our discussion is base on principle that why nature reacts to this change, it is human behaviour that plays fundamental role in this origin. As we progress, let us remember that technology is a powerful tool that is how we use it that makes the difference. So we're here not only to discuss the challenge but share ideas and solutions. And most importantly here to inspire action. So this is opportunity for all of us to learn, share and collaborate. I appreciate the presence of each one with solution for our planet and here. And thank you so much for now.
>> MODERATOR: First address the role on climate change. But also be able to make some recommendations on how question improve policies on climate change. Yes, but then in this discussion today, we'll have some questions that are going to be guiding whatever that the speakers are going to be presenting. And how can internet and technologies collaborate to fight climate change? And which kind of policies about technology and internet could collaborate on the team of climate change?
And what are the negative impacts of technology in climate change?
I'm give the first speaker. And one thing to note. On our panel today we have young people. So I'm excited to hear from them.
Yes. Thank you very much.
>> I'm Sakura Takahashi from Japan. I'm a student studying climb science and geospecial annals in Kyoto university. And in addition several experiences of being part of in the United Nations attending climate change COP. And delegate of children use measure group and advisory board 2022. In conjunction with my activities in area of expertise. I'm so excited to talk about climate change and technology implementation. I'd like to answer.
>> SAKURA TAKAHASHI: How can technologies tackle climate change? We have various ways. Such IOT. Intelligence. Block chain and climate prediction and forecasting. I'd like to discuss how artificial intelligence, so AI can accelerate climate actions from the viewpoint of mitigation and adaptation. In the climate change discussion we have mainly the two approaches. Mitigation and adaptation.
Mitigation is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to eliminate climate change. Adaptation is take measures that adapt affects of climate change including reduce risk of adverse affects and exploring new solutions to live healthy in a changing climate world.
In terms of mitigation, artificial intelligence can optimise electric supply and demand. On supply side, AI being developed to optimise electricity supplied and usage.
AI can also be used for building energy management urban areas are electricity is consumed. For example study found expected to save energy consumption by night and learning relationships between operation data of (?) and totally energy consumption in the building. And applying a model creating for learning results.
How AI can contribute to optimization of the contribution and emissions.
In terms of adaptation, AI can enable us to develop early warning systems for severe disasters in more accurate climate forecasting prediction. Improvement of computing capabilities from super computers and simulation of global ox data by satellites enabled more accurate and consistent climate forecasts than possible several decades ago. This has made it possible to reduce damage by taking early countermeasures in evacuation from extreme weather events. And associated disasters.
In addition, satellite data and climate models can be used to predict crop yields and determine suitable locations using machine learning. Thereby contributing to stable food supply and ever‑changing climate conditions.
In this way, AI can help humans adapt to climate change that adverse effects and find new opportunities. From these practises I believe artificial intelligence can take a innovative role in tackling climate change.
And I will move to the questions. Which is what the negative impacts of technology in climate change. So technology, including A AI, significantly contributes to our urgent needs to respond to climate change as stated through previous questions. However, it also has negative impacts on the involvement in our life. I'd like to elaborate on this point in terms of energy consumption.
In terms of energy use, proliferation of electronic devices data centres and communication networks have driven charge in energy demand primarily by banning fossil fuels. Data centre which is power (?) are notorious energy gobblers.
202022 estimated 1.1.3% global electricity demand. Moreover. Devices like smart phones and laptops operation and disposal. Collectively energy consumption and carbon emissions.
In terms of life cycle hardware impacts the production of devices relies on research intensive practices, including mining rare minerals and metals. Everything greenhouse gases and polluting water.
Manufacturing components is energy intensive and water dependant. Technological advancements leads to short product life cycles and waste problem. Waste disposal can release hazardous chemicals into the environment if not managed properly. Especially in developing countries.
Additionally, (?) incentivise, driving resource consumption and generation.
As technology has positive and negative impacts states before in involvement, as well as climate. We need to gain literacy to technology and use wisely for creating more sustainable life on the earth.
Thank you.
>> MODERATOR: Thank you very much. Sakura.
And next, I would invite James, who is online. Please welcome the floor is user.
>> JAMES AMATTEY: Thank you very much. I believe I'm very audible?
Yes.
So my name is James Amattey. From Ghana, specifically from the African group. I come from background of software innovation where we use software tools to improve daily lives from education down to how we move groups. And delivery and logistics.
Now I'm going take this topic from a different angle. And that would be on question 3, which is how technology is negatively affected climate change.
Now technology is an enabler of the economy we are in. Fortunately it is able to help me to join you all the way in Japan. Even though I'm sitting right here in Ghana.
But also, unfortunately, there are some limitations that this is causing to our climate. And Sakura mentioned some of them. And I'm going to highlight a few more.
Now, other than the 6.2 billion devices that exist globally, there are an excessive of over two chips per device. These chips handle a wide range of processing and computational ability. And these leads to battery drain which requires frequent charging. These frequent charging comes from a wide range of tools and mechanisms put in place. Including the widely known USB‑C and has been a standard that has been implemented since 2012 I believe. And is currently in the latest medal of the iPhone, just released a few month ago.
Research shown just by the change to USB‑C, there is still high level of consumption of energy that is required to keep phones running. Because of all the apps that exist today. Currently the Google Play store, which has over 1.2 million apps. And all of these apps require computation of sort to be able to handle whatever they do. And these computations usually rely on cloud, which Sakura mentioned.
Now cloud in itself is an enabler of security and allowing the global service exploitation.
For example, Uber is made in the U.S. But here in Ghana I'm allowed to use Uber. And that is because of cloud. And because of the structure of cloud and how it is infrastructure and investment that goes into it, you sometimes realise that it takes a lot more to run these apps than it is actually costs to create them.
And these involvements sometimes lose to negative effects. Now in Africa where the energy consumption is very high. But the production is very low. Sometimes cost a deficit to the society, which is supposed to benefit. Because there are some places where there is. Energy inefficiencies. So to be able to balance natural consumption to production of users and these guys, sometimes becomes a burden and actually leads to the creation of more energy.
And that creation can be a good thing. But sometimes you need to ask yourselves what is the source of that energy? Fortunately most energy relies on fossil fuels. And so there is still that negative carbon effect going on.
So because I come from the mobility space, I currently focus on mobility as a domain. And mobility and autonomous mobility. And this also brings further, shall I say, constraint on the energy produced.
Previously and not too much reliance on (?). But now with EV and birth of autonomous mobility, the power that is required to move a car autonomously from one point to another is very ‑‑ is actually greater than how much it usually costs when cars (?).
So even though we have solved one of the problems that came with mobility. And then the release of carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide throw the exhaust, now we have a different problem of trying to understand how much electric power is required to move mobility. How much of electric power needs to be generated to charge and move these things. And how much of policy adjustment we have to have on national level to be able to accommodate the needs of EVs.
Because EV resume moving from personal automobiles to now industry‑level automobiles. As high as construction automobiles. And these are going to take a very huge on the climate. So hopefully by the end of this talk we will be able to delve into how we got here and how we can mitigate some of the use problems without necessarily the innovation. So I hope that gives a little more light on the conversation. And thank you for.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Thank you very much James for your contribution. Without wasting so much time, I'll welcome the third speaker. Joao.
I'll welcome the third speaker. Joao.
>> JOAO VITOR: This is an important topic to discuss today. I think we have to discuss. We have to bring up into an event like this one, like the IGF into some events, into the United Nations.
So I will bring up some ideas about the first question, how the internet and technologies collaborate to fight climate change.
According to some global researches, just Latin America could use about $17 trillion between 2021 and 2070. About this topic, I'd like to emphasise that the internet and technology can play significant roles in the fight against climate change by enabling innovative solutions, facilitating information sharing and promoting sustainable practises.
We are some ways technology can help us fight against this problem. I'd like to highlight some. I don't have much time to talk about them. But I would like to say some.
First one, data collection and analysis. Artificial intelligence can highlight prove sensors that collect reality environmental data, such as deforestation, temperature, air quality, which can be used to develop climate monitoring and research. The sensors can be used not just to monitor the data, but can instantaneously warn. In Brazil for example we have the IMPE. That is an important institution that have been doing an excellent job, excellent work into the Brazil. And have been helping us, have been helping the government to create some solutions to the country and not just the Brazil. But to the lat America.
Machine learning can process vast amounts of data to identify trends, patterns and anomalies related to climate change. Helping researchers and policy makers make informed decisions.
The second one, renewable energy integration. Smart grid technologies can optimise the distribution and consumption of energy source, becoming possible to reduce energy production from fossil fuels as coal and natural gas.
Reducing carbon emissions. In Brazil there is a waste of energy annually equal to 20 million houses consumption in the period of one year. This is a lot more than we can think that is good. Something like we can use this energy, for example, to help Latin America. And I think this also happens into the Europe and Asia and other continents.
Energy management systems and demand response technology Kansas help balance energy supply and demand efficiently.
About the carbon footprint reduction. The AI and internet can help virtual meetings and remote work made possible by the internet. Can reduce need for commuting and business travel, lowering greenhouse gas emissions. This phenomenon was highlighted in the pandemic period showing it is possible for relocate society this for new moment of history that demands our effort to achieve a common objective.
E‑commerce and other services can replace and reduce environmental impact of physical stores. This is a good option to not just the Latin America but to the North America, to the Europe, to the Asia and to the Africa.
We know that all continents have a lot of stores. And we can think about or think about these things to reduce carbon emissions and collaborate to reduce to struggle the climate change.
About sustainable agriculture ‑‑ and this is an important point to the Latin America. Because countries like Brazil for example, significant part of the GDP of my country come from the agriculture. Precision agriculture technologies can optimise crop production. Reducings you of water, fertilisers and pesticides. Which can reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Internet connected sensors and droneses can monitor silo conditions and crop health enabling more efficient practises and collaborating to combat the climate change. This is a suggestion, like I said. Not just Latin America but to all countries who have great productions into agriculture area
great productions into agriculture area. And we can excuse about this topic because Brazil have been working on to show the problems about the gas emotions into the agriculture production. And this is an important point to excuse to countries like India and China, for example that have large productions of many things.
About the climate communication and advocacy. Social media and online platforms can raise awareness about climate change and mobilise global efforts. We can use the online platforms like, for example, Telegram, WhatsApp and others, to show to many people. And this is an important point. Because in my country for example, the population of Brazil, something about 80% of the population have access to internet.
So we can use these things. So many times we just excuse these important points in places like this one. And the population of the countries, people around the globe don't know about these things. Many times talking about climate change in a place like this one. And many people in Brazil for example don't know about it.
And many politicians like president of bros collaborate that things like this one don't cleave the population.
Next one about circular economy. And I think I have more points but the time is up. Policy makers can incentivise and regulate practices and development of technologies to accelerate process.
So this topic the climate change is not a problem of the world. But it is a problem to the humans. We're not talking about the planet. The planet will continue to exist. But we are talking about existence of the humans. If humans don't treat this problem like an important one, the humanity will finalise into the new year's. So we have to talk about this one. We have to think this thing into the governments into a place like this one. We have to talk about into the colleges.
And I think if we do this, if we do this homework, we can reduce and collaborate to the health of the planet.
So thank you so much.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: All right. Thank you so much Joao. Because of the time I would advise the next speakers to use few minutes. Yes. So I'll welcome Rosanna. Yes please, take the floor.
>> ROSANNA FANNI: Thank you, thank you very much. I'm also very delighted to be able to speak here today. And yeah, my name is Rosanna Fanni. I am German and Italian. But I was raised in Brussels until just a few weeks ago.
And I'm actually today speaking behalf of the German Youth IGF and I'm very happy to represent here today. And we as the German youth the IGF have been actually discussing this topic as well. And we were convening together in September as part of our German IGF, so the local IGF that happened in Berlin.
And we had an event to so say where we discussed the intersection between sustainability and digitalisation. So how can to do go hand in hand?
And I will share some of the results that we have discussed and which we wanted to bring to Kyoto to this IGF to the global IGF. So I'm very very happy, and I also thank the entire team that is now still sleeping in Europe for all of the work that we have done together.
But first maybe let me share a few words about actually what the European union is doing in the space of the green and digital.
We in Europe have, I think, quite soon understood that the topic is crucial. Greta Thunberg and climate movement has actually originated in Europe as you know, in Sweden. And we feel possibility also because Europe is big emitter of climate change and climate emissions.
So this is why in 2019 the current European government, or the European Commission has come up with very ambitious climate goals that we should achieve. So by 2030 ‑‑ so that is in six years almost all right ‑‑ we should cut our climate emissions by half. And by 2050, we should be climate neutral. So net zero.
That is very very ambitious, also for the European economy that also relies often still on very traditional and very resource‑intense ways of fueling the economy.
But we also have understood that we need to do it. We need to go ahead. And so the European Commission has decided that they have certain strategy called the EU twin transition. And the EU twin transition is basically combination of green and digital transitions together. So the idea that only through technology and data sharing innovation we can actually also make our economies more sustainable and climate friendly.
We have already heard certain contradictions to this topic. And green and digital can also clash as previous panelists have said for example. More technical waste. E‑waste. And data privacy concerns when more data is shared.
In September we thought about what could be enabling conditions and what needed for policy makers to really enable more just and digital transition that respects rights of citizens not only in Europe but also globally.
So we have come up with three different areas where we could present our recommendations. This is first environment. And second area is the economy. And third area is the social aspects.
First we have concluded better transparency. Data on environmental impact of digitisation. So what we heard earlier. And we need to understand better the entire life cycle of the application. So not the internet that my tablet is using now, but actually from the very moment the tablet is designed and it is conceptualized and built together in a factory.
And we need more transparency as consumers about it. We should know how much the materials the digital devices that we use actually consume.
And we should also have the measurements should be taken out carried out independently. So it should not be the companies themselves that, you know, make some numbers nice. But it should be independent measurement. And the results should also be made accessible, in accessible form. So not very complex reports that you have to study over hours. But it should be very clear and visible for userrers.
Next point on the e ecologies that we want to promote entrepreneurial thinking and compliance culture. So we argue that we need to provide new environments in which environmental sustainability is seen as a challenge by start‑ups, for example, entrepreneurs. And also gives economic advantages instead and also long‑term investments, instead something where you have to comply, where you have to tick the cheque box so to say. And we think this can happen through education programmes, raising awareness programmes and in order to ensure innovation and sustainability go hand in hand.
And third point of the ecology is that we want a legal commitment to sustainability by design. And sustainability by ‑‑.
What I already said earlier and the design process already. Ecological sustainability should be included and also weighed as factor of importance alongside other economic factors or performance‑related aspects so that really consumers can see how much actually this devise is sustainable or advise been used sustainable approaches.
And this is also sustainable by default.
Okay. Then I will move to the aspect of the economy and two points that we would like to present. The first one is independence. And we believe that the circular economy approach should play a really central role in reducing the political depends on individual countries with large critical raw material deposits. Maybe a little information square for those of you who haven't really yet heard about critical raw materials. These are rare earths and minerals that are in everyone's phones and tablets. But they are also really crucial, for example, for solar panels or autonomous vehicles. So without those critical raw materials, we could not be producing the technologies anymore that we use today and that we are sorely reliant on for sustainable energy production, for example and solar panels.
But the problem is that these critical raw materials are mostly concentrated in a few countries. So it is very hard to get access to them. And most countries are very dependant on those countries to allow them access. And so our point is really that we would need more independence and expand recycling, which is another point that I get to.
Recycling and other circular economy initiatives where we reduce our independence on those countries. By already use the raw materials that we have been extracting to in order to really, yeah, strengthen economic stability and security. Snog.
Research funding. We want to extend for the economy so researchers can better conceptualize how the value chain of those materials is and also how maybe new jobs can be created along this need.
So last but not least, the social aspects. Because we also believe that sustainability and digitalisation should be benefiting all and not just the few privileged ones. Not only also in Europe but also worldwide. And key concern is still that we need more transparent and accountability in the context of digital education, especially artificial intelligence. So we believe that manufacturers should have an obligation to explain actually their products. Especially also to children. So that it is clear to children, I mean, to us maybe it is clear if you see ah this is made been AI. We know. We understand it. But it is still very difficult to explain to it children.
And we think it is really important to prepare children for the digital world and also make them aware that there are risks and challenges.
Then we will put forward another point on participation. So we want more equitable access for all population groups. Including us older people and children and actually other groups. And in Europe we have good access already but if we look worldwide we need much more. Needs to be much more in terms of connectivity and enabling people to meaningfully participate in the digital environment.
And last but not least we also hope to increase digital certainty. So we mean that the internet stays open, free and secure. And that we can have data sovereignty so that the data is not captured. And sold by big tech companies. But that individuals can decide over their own data where it is going and what it is used for.
And last but not least also, educational project, especially in media, media training and media awareness. And also to include the common good in digital policy.
Thank you.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Thank you very much Rosanna. Thank you for sharing important points that were taken from the youth IGF German.
Lastly I would like to invite Denise. Please welcome.
>> DENISE LEAL: Hi everyone.
So I am Denise Leal from Brazil. I am here representing the Latin American Caribbean region and I am happy to say that I'm also former fellow from the programme youth in Brazil. I am seeing some people here that came with the delegation. Today I'm here also representing the private sector. I know I am young, but yes I'm representing the private sector.
And also I am a researcher at the Brazil university. And my research is related with it. I am part of the natural resources law and sustainable development research group. And like aware some things we have research through this discussion, through this topic.
First thing I'd like the say, we know that climate change exists S a problem and we know that we have solutions. Now we heard a lot about the solutions that it is possible to implement that we could implement technology solutions that we could use in helping solving the problem.
But the barriers are which do we have the need infrastructure in every country to implement the solutions? Can we really implement them?
When we talk about Latin American Caribbean we don't have that need infrastructure to implement these technologies. Not all of technologies. It is expensive. And also there are many people that don't have the knowledge to do and to work with these technologies. We need to put our effort on making cheaper solutions, cheaper technological solutions to the countries who cannot buy the expensive solutions that work really well but are not accessible to these countries.
Another point that I would like to bring is when it comes to legal disputes and technological and environment disputes, what is the end of it? What is the final decision? What do they decide? So we have researched it in Brazil. And it is a cooperation actually Brazillia university, with Chile, friends, and also Canada. And we've noticed that, yes, we have a lot of litigation on the theme of environment. But when it comes to the end, we have some good decisions that protect the environment. But we have other problems. Like, how can you guarantee that these decisions will really work?
What we have in Brazil and in other countries that we have researched is: You have a decision, a legal decision that we'll say you have to protect the environment. That yes, there is a law saying you have to protect the environment. But in the end, there is no way to comply with it.
Like, the fiscalisation, it is not easy. And this is a huge problem. Like the control, accountability and compliance of the environmental laws are very fragile and many time the preserve Tory bodies are small and incapable of making it true.
Want to add to the discussion this important aspect that we have researched in Brazillia university. Sometimes I think that okay, we have technology and can implement it. We're going solve the climate change problems. But it is expensive. And secondarily, it is important to know that it is hard to keep watching, keep your eye on it.
And we don't have ‑‑ one of our policies questions is, which policies can we make, can we build, can we think about to guarantee that we are really fighting against climate change and implementing technology? So I would suggest that more than thinking about new laws, how can we make the laws that we already have on environment topics really work?
So what I think is that we need to have more work, hard work on compliance and complying with these laws that already exist.
I think that everyone, the private sector, Civil Society, academia, tech community, United Nations and all the countries' governments, especially those with economic possibility and interest should put more effort on helping to find cheaper technology solutions to fight off climate change. And otherwise there are in countries who won't have the possibility of implementing it.
To end my speech, I think that we talk in a way the end is ‑‑ the road is ending for us. But the road has already ended for some species. 45% of cehado Brazilian bijon will end with increase of 0.7 celsius degree. It is not 1 degree. It is less than a degree. In 45% of, all the middle of the whole bijon is going the end with this increase.
So we are worried with our future. But what about the environment rights? Doesn't the fishes have the right to exist?
Thank you so much. And I also want to say how to my family and friends who are here. And obrigado.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Thank you very much to our dear speakers. And I hope all of us have heard what they have presented.
And I'm actually from this discussion what I have noted mostly is sense of accountability and responsibility that each one of us has to play to make sure that climate change is really addressed.
So yeah, since we are like out of time, I would like to floor to our participants. If you have any contribution. Any questions. Yes please.
Use... the mic behind. Yes.
>> AUDIENCE: Hello everyone.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: One there and here. Yes please.
>> AUDIENCE: Hello everyone. I'm Manu, from Brazil and represent an organisation due to e protection of child rights. And environment and digital rights it is very special to talk about children and I thank you your bringing this point.
And one thing that I would like to add to this debate is, how can we think about the ever lasting effects of digital colonisation when we are talking about global sugarses to problems that we have now. And I think a great example is happened earlier this year in Uruguay. Where Google wanted to build big data centre. And we talk about AI so much in this forum and about solutions that need this kind of infrastructure. But the people there couldn't have water for their own consumption and then the government privileging the interest of a private company of a global power. And that interest, and not the interests of the local population. So that is a question like a global solution very important but we have ever lasting effects of the colonisation and suffering with them. And how do we think about digital sovereignty when we think about solutions and how can we building our countries like Brazil, for instance. And while building solutions that are not actually just serving for the purpose of big global interests and companies who are dominating this economical debate.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Thank you very much for your contribution. And we'll move to the next person.
>> AUDIENCE: Good morning, everyone. I am Felp from Brazil. Part of youth delegation from Brazil. And my question is about how could we deal better with electronic waste as one globally?
As Sakura mentioned, devices have life cycles smaller as time goes by. And this problem is really big deal. And I can say this because in Brazil, for instance, we have some local initiatives for recycling. And that is really important for us.
Besides that, when it comes to electrical devices, it is not that simple. Those initiatives deal better when we say about paper, when we talk about plastic. But electrical devices? There is another level of treatment. I think I could say that.
So (?) to people and to the environment. And all the environment. And when they are used to technologies that even ‑‑ that even when they are used to technologies that could help us against climate change. So we have some sort of problem right there. We create technologies that could help us against climate change. But use some kind of substances in them.
So we have kind of a cycle there.
And my question is, where sustainability by design can appear in this scenario of high amount of technological waste? And as UN says, that's a global issue. And global issues are connected. And that matters when we talk about climate change.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Thank you very much. Next please.
>> AUDIENCE: Hi everyone. I am a mentor of the Brazilian youth delegation as well. I am activity director of the Amazon youth cooperation for sustainable development. And wanted to understand if we have any successful examples of our experience about facing impacts of climate change and global south. And if possible considering Amazon region that has used technology to face the challenge of climate change.
Thank you.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Thank you very much.
All right. Do we have a question online? Igor? Any question online?
>> IGOR ARAUJO: No. No questions.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: All right. So ah, sorry, please go.
>> AUDIENCE: Hi this is Jasmine from Hong dong Asia. I agree that like it is also depends on how like each nations the capacity. And each territory. Like how do they deal with, you know, like, climate change. And the problem of, you know, the key is how do we localize the global solution into each different context.
And thing I find interesting. Base zero we launch our ‑‑ so we've done study about 14 jurisdiction about, you know, like energy consumption, efficiency and also economy aspect of this jurisdiction. And it is actually interesting that Hong Kong is actually not in good position that we thought it is.
So I'm kind of like sad to say that Hong Kong is not in very good performing status. So I just want to raise a point here. It seems like it is not just about the capacity. So obviously we do have economic power and also infrastructure to localize the global solutions for, you know, like to tackle the climate change things.
But here, I just I also want to get, you know, some inspiration and maybe good case practise from you guys when you have to identify this is a maker, you know. To talk about your agenda and your thought about how to tackle with climate change. How do you identify them? And how do be with them and negotiate some thoughts that you have as a youth.
I think that is it what I want to ask about. Thank you very much.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Thank you very much. We... yes?
>> AUDIENCE: Hi. I'm Ireen from ‑‑
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Oh sorry.
>> AUDIENCE: Hi. I'm Ethan from Hong Kong SOL. So I believe that Sakura has just talked about internet and technology to fight can collaborate to Fine fight climate change. Actually I'm been working on projects related to this topic. And I have just a very short question. Is that how can internet of things be harnessed to to create a more energy sufficient system and reduce carbon emission? And that's all, thanks.
>> AUDIENCE: Hi. I'm Irene from IEEE, and it is very very refreshing to see all these young people. And I should also put you if touch with IEE young professionals task for climate change.
Innovation is very close to IEEE, and I was doing patterns for a living for a long time. I think we know as a fact that we have enough technology and innovation. And I think that examples that you mentioned around which are the win‑win situations where it is about energy efficiency are an easy set for companies. But the question is, who is taking the accountability about, you know, adopting the other technologies which are very costly? And I wonder whether you would have some other thoughts on beyond some incentives that the governments could give? Because the question have these enough? And have I would like to have your thoughts what do you think is the importance? And Rosanna mentioned before about the importance of life cycle assessments.
So I was wondering there is a discussion in Europe about the European (?) coalition about how do we define about vote emissions when we talk about net impact. I was wondering what are your thoughts of systems thinking? That and what is the role of standards in that.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Thank you very much. Since we're out of time I'm welcome the speaksers if uhm respond to any of the questions please. One minute of seconds.
>> DENISE LEAL: Thanks lot for so many questions. I would just maybe touch on two points. The one point on colonisation. And standards. Colonisation absolutely that is a huge problem. I think actually big tech companies have way too much power as we know and there should be more concerted efforts by United Nationses and other organisations to curb the power of those tech companies. But at the same time I think again transparency is super important.
Because if consumers would really see the impact of for example a Google data centre in Uruguay did you say? Yes. Perhaps there would be, you know, also mind change from the consumer side and from the recipient side.
So I think it is really important to bring more transparency and also to have more global reporting about those cases because there are similar cases with meta doing the open Africa ICT project where they scan by metric data of citizens and use citizens to explore, so to say, the 3D landscape.
Second point on standards. I actually nod mention it but one part of European strategy of course to standards green digitisation together. I think standards crucial but how do the bodies produce the standards? Is it inclusive enough? Is it representative of Civil Society and members who cannot afford to be in the organisation bodies? And.
And definitely I think in the end all of these questions that we discuss ultimately political questions that policy makers have to take up first. And if policy makers do not put the priority on green and digital or digital, sustainable digitisation we will not get anywhere. So I think it all originates in political priorities and then dissemination and other measures I've already mentioned.
Thank you.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Thank you very much Rosanna. One more please and then the rest we can.
One minute.
>> ROSANNA FANNI:
>> DENISE LEAL: So thank you. Wanted to speak about question of successful examples and lobby and about the standards. Beginning with the last one about the standards. We have ESG. With all those standards. But I this the reports, we have a lot of lies on the reports. So there is a problem. How can we really read these reports on climate with the standards that deal with climate change and believe on them? I think that we need to work more on how we can cheque this reports and how they are made because they standards are good. But they are ‑‑ they are this and we don't have how to cheque them in again with. We are with the problem of compliance. How we cheque those things and how can we make them really true. Because I think that the standards are good. But we don't have how ‑‑ don't have a really nice way to cheque if they are being true in the reports.
And the successful examples and also about lobby, I think we can request talk about these two together. We have studies some examples when politician and lawyers have worked together. In to create some solutions on patents and biodiversity aspects. When it comes to international threats we have some problems because you cannot solve things only with political dispute.
So what we have noticed in the international aspects of environment and legal disputes is that when you have this two groups working together, the legal group and the politician group, you might have something good example of success in the end p.
Ky not say that we have a lot of successful examples. Like we know there is small traditional communities that have successful examples of how to protect environment. But it is really small. It is a thing that we can adopt in our small communities. But if we are speaking in more big way, looking globally for a solution, we must make our politician and our legal teams work together like the juts and the politician must work in line.
Thank you.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: 30 seconds please.
>> I will answer the question about the electric system, about the collection and about the distribution how we can build a better system. I will give the example of my country to answer your question because I think I have more knowledge about that. So I can explain better.
>> JOAO VITOR: The question is how we can build a better system where we can distribute and not just think about the production. But how we use correctly the energy in our countries. Because many countries in Brazil, I include Brazil here. Just thinking about the production. For example, in my country at the moment we have discussion about the production of wind energy off shore. And in Brazil we have lot of debates about this topic. Because is more cheap to produce energy instead of to rethink the system. To rethink the system to build a better system for a good distribution.
So what I think that the countries have to do is where is in the region of the country, we can use AI to do it. What part of the country have a higher consumption? What have a low consumption? So we can use the AI to achieve these numbers. And can rethink about it. Because if we use it, we will not need to produce more energy. But just to distribute correctly into the country.
So if we do it, we can reduce for example if use of fossil fuels like coal and large countries like China, for example, have a great production of energy based on coal.
So if we think ‑‑ if we built a better system to distribute correctly the energy, we can reduce the use of fossil fuels for example and we can reduce carbon emissions and collaborate to fight against the climate change.
So I think I don't have much time but thank you so much for the question.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Thank you very much.
>> SAKURA TAKAHASHI: Thank you. I would like to answer about waste and energy efficient situations. Global problem. Definitely. E waste is not the problem related to the ‑‑ directly related to the countries about e waste production. And consumption countries. I think the community engagement and the policies that support those activities and initiatives at local levels is important. Because if can create good policies, if the local people or the people on the ground can't take the options or provide their voices to the decision makers, the policies are not implemented.
So how we can take these problems seriously? And take options urgently is really important.
So first step that we need to, what happens in the other areas in the same world, and also sharing from other areas. Because even if we have multiple problems in different parts of the world, we can learn about something from the related programmes. And also I think we need opportunities to discuss and learn about the case studies more because we can get feel of ‑‑ how do I say. We can let people be involved in the same programmes. And regarding the energy efficiency system, how the internet harness energy efficient systems. Speaker from Hong Kong asked. I think the smart way in energy consumption at local levels is really important. Some areas in Japan mainly in metropolitan cities, we take the local, the heat management system and the also trying to build smart grid systems that can manage the energy supply and demand in the local, specific areas focusing.
So it is smart grid and the local level energy management systems are really important.
Thank you.
>> LARAH ROSA DA SILVA: Thank you very much Sakura.
James, please one line to close to conclude your...
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