IGF 2021 – Day 4 – WS #214 Achieving Sustainable Local Tourism and Nature Conservation

The following are the outputs of the captioning taken during an IGF virtual intervention. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid, but should not be treated as an authoritative record.



     >> We all live in a digital world. 

We all need it to be open and safe.  We all want to trust.

     >> And to be trusted. 

     >> We all despise control.

     >> And desire freedom. 

     >> We are all united. 

     >> Hi everyone.  Waiting to see if anyone enters the Zoom for a while.  Kindly wait a second.  Thank you. 

     >> EDWARD CHOI: Welcome all of you.  Thank you for coming today.  I'm Edward Choi, the moderator for WS 214, Achieving Sustainable Local Tourism and Nature Conservation.  This is a relevant issue for IGF this year.  There can be fundamental challenges, for instance, through energy consumption for data production.  There can be leverage to advance environmental sustainability.  Policies, Nations are needed to green the Internet that is used as an environmental impact on new technologies, including artificial intelligence and big data.  And facilitate and use to address environmental challenges.

This is something our social enterprise V'air Hong Kong has done a lot of work in Hong Kong.  With the spread of online platform for low‑cost airlines, the European Commission reported in 2015, the tourism sector accounts for 5% of global carbon emissions.  We explore attractions, organize local tours, and hold educational workshops to encourage Hong Kong people to travel locally to lower the footprint per capita.  We dedicate our effort as use to influence Hong Kong people to use digital platform that people can use since 2015.

That alone wasn't enough.  This workshop aims to provide a platform for I.T. developers, digital innovators, civil society across Asia‑Pacific to discuss how the development of digital infrastructure can enhance sustainable local tourism and nature conservation. 

     It is at the intersection of what government, business, technical community, alongside Civil Society do best, help promote environmental education and promote awareness in the Internet Governance and digital policy spaces. 

     I would like to introduce our co‑organizers here.  We have the NetMission Ambassador program to bring together a network of dedicated young volunteers devoted to promoting and contributing to a collaborative and sustainable Internet and youth engagement on Internet Governance. 

We also have Social Responsibility Practitioners an NGO which aims to carry out socially responsible initiatives, promote stories of, practitioners, and to set up a network for SDG related communications and implementation.

Time to introduce our speaker.  We have Mr. Purusottam Khanal, the Chairman of the Nepal Telecommunication Authority.  And Mr. Kam‑sing Wong, Secretary for the Environment SAR Hong Kong region.  And Ms. Natalie Chung, cofounder of V'air Hong Kong.  And Ms. Rui Cui, the founder of Social Responsibility Practitioners.  And Edmon Chung, CEO of DotAsia Organziation.

     Each speaker will have opening remarks, then we will have a 25‑minute panel discussion.  And then Natalie Chung and I will report back and conclude with youth statement and key takeaways.  And Q&A session will be afterwards.  I will give the floor to Ms. Rui Cui, please. 

     >> Rui Cui:  Hello, can you hear me?  Hi, everyone.  From New York, this is Rui Cui, founder of Social Responsibility Practitioners.  I'm honored to be invited to this session and to talk about the sustainable local tourism and nature conservation.

Let me briefly introduce myself.  I'm the founder of this NGO and our organization aims to use youth power to carry out social responsibility initiatives to promote the stories of practitioners and set up a networking for SDG related communication and implementation in various ways.

Such as youth exchange study, and cross‑industry collaboration.

Seems like we started ‑‑ since we started our organization during the outbreak of the pandemic, coronavirus, which is still lasting for almost two years or like more than we expected, so actually our main method to promote our very like activities, events, and stories is using Internet.

And I would like to share some different types of ways to do the digital promotion for sustainable local tourism and nature conservation and then share something about the previous project we have done before, with the Philippines based social enterprise.  So for digital promotion, social media is a powerful platform you can leverage with other resources you have and decrease your cost.  On social media, try to encourage conversation.  Like you can use the travel influencers to write about eco-tourism and promote it to their network and encourage conversations about this topic.

And at the same time, you should open your comment area and let people to make comments under their posts.

Second, you can use some info graphics.  Actually if you use text based information and only use data, sometimes it is abstract, especially for this topic.  We have some more difficult like terms for people to understand.  So like for this way, we tend to use like infographics to introduce like specific like professional terms, but at the same time it can add on some like activities, like events that will have like a considerable impact on the public.

So thirdly, we can try to build up an active community.  It is actually what SRP is always doing.  Like we ‑‑ because we are in Mainland China and most of people are using WeChat as their social networking app, we use WeChat to create multiple communities.  We just share our post and we organize, like, there is like people tend to join it like use Internet instead of we only meet in person, which may be a little bit impossible due to the coronavirus.  This community can use for like members to share their needs, expectations and ag to foster friendship, family and promote better cooperations between individuals or organizations. 

So that is basically the forms of digital promotion that I want to introduce.  In the later part I would like to introduce more details about how we help the Philippine based social enterprise to design a tourism package to not only protect your environment, but to increase its economy in the little island in Philippines.  Thank you so much. 

     >> EDWARD CHOI: Thank you, Rui Cui, I have followed the SRP WeChat page.  I can see a lot of inferences, and you shared a lot of e‑culture related stuff on the page.  It is insightful.  Thank you.  Can I invite Mr. Edmon Chung to talk about your initiative in dot Asia organization? 

     >> Edmon Chung:  Certainly.  Thank you, first of all, I am excited to share work we're doing at dot Asia.  I wonder if I can share my screen.  Some of the things.  One of the main things dot Asia does is operate the dot Asia domain.  That is the core operations, but most of ‑‑ actually all of our income comes back into supporting Internet development and adoption around Asia.  One of the areas that we have been supporting is Sustainable Development.  Especially sustainable development goals.  Since 2016, when the SDGs were put in place, actually dot Asia has been supporting a project we call Asajutor it starts with tiger as symbol of Asia and focuses on Sustainable Development.  And also sustainable tourism to the extent especially ‑‑ well, before the pandemic, at least the growing natural tourism and the local tourism as exotic, tropical and other wildlife areas, this is one of the projects doing.  An education project more than anything.  It goes to this primary, secondary school and other students and youth to engage them about the Internet.  But what we have been doing is an eco-initiative that we are working with APNIC and HBS and they're helping fund the work in the area.  Of course we're involved as an advocacy for eco‑Internet.  Won't go into the presentation.  Quickly, this was presented earlier at the ‑‑ at different session here at the IGF.  What it does is looks at the situation for online and how the Internet actually has an impact on carbon footprint.  But the question we asked mostly is how the Internet footprint replaces a lot of the physical footprint we do and how the power grid is a big issue.

One of the things we also observe is the capacity, the bandwidth of the infrastructure is important, but most importantly, how we think about the digital economy advantage.

So we put together a pilot for an indicator on how eco‑friendly is the Internet for different jurisdictions, looking at three axes, economy, energy, efficiency. 

And we took, as the pilot study, we took six jurisdictions or economies and looked at the situation, how the percentage of the digital economy, versus the Internet carbon footprint.

Here you see the scores of different Regions.  Hong Kong is particularly bad at this.  But ‑‑ and the other axes as well, for some reason, actually, maybe later on we can think about that.  Another axis is renewable energy and grid emission factor.  Here, you see how much percentage of renewable energy is the power grid including and also, you know, because this is the power ‑‑ this is the energy that powers the Internet and the more renewable energy the better.  Here is very strange.  I don't know whether the stats is right, but again, Hong Kong, Singapore is very low amount.  Won't go into the details, but ultimately there is scoring and this is a pilot study.  Japan seems to be doing well.  Hong Kong not doing that well.  Again, we are looking at expanding to different economies to look at how the power grid supports the Internet and how efficient is the Internet itself in terms of power consumption and carbon footprint is.  This is some of the things we have been doing, and I think as we go into especially the last couple of years, it is becoming a big issue.  Because there is a lot of talk about how the Internet is increasingly part of the digital footprint.

Our research has found that it is not so ‑‑ it is not a doomsday situation.  However, I think policy support to nudge the industry to cleaner is important.  And the industry and Civil Society is important to push forward an agenda for cleaner Internet.  Whether it is local or otherwise, the Internet is an indispensable part of our everyday experience.  So maybe sure that the Internet is powered with clean energy is a big part of our advocacy work and hopefully it is useful for this conversation.  Thank you. 

     >> EDWARD CHOI: Thank you, Edmon.  I have been following this process since I was in year one.  About four or five years ago.  Already.  I can see many outreach projects like in Japan two or three years ago.  It will keep going on.  Yeah, I appreciate your effort.

Can I please invite Mr. Kam‑sing Wong to have your opening remark, please?  Thank you. 

     >> Kam‑sing Wong:  Can you hear me.

     >> EDWARD CHOI: Yes, very clear special ‑‑

     >> Kam‑sing Wong:  I will reshare. 

     >> EDWARD CHOI: The team is inviting you to share the screen again to see if there is a problem. 

Or yes, I can ‑‑ okay. 

I can see your screen now.  Seems there is a problem.  Okay.  Thank you very much.

     >> Kam‑sing Wong:  I want to share with other people.  I would like to start that Hong Kong is urbanized country, but we have only urbanized about 25% of the land.  The rural and countryside areas accounts for some 70% of our territory.  This is a picture in the Hong Kong global geo park.  Here is the celebrate the 10th anniversary to celebrate, welcome to Hong Kong to visit it.  It is very beautiful.  I as the environment Minister look after climate change, energy and put in energy, I would respond to the comment about energy, mentioned earlier.

And air quality, power, west ministry, et cetera.  That culturalism is part of the agenda for the nature conservation.  I would like to highlight the issue for 2.0 last year.  We'll up our Asia‑Pacific this year.  In Hong Kong, the carbon accounts for 25%.  [Audio skipping] due to the geographical constraints. 

If you come for carbon force, it is 25%.  By 40 or 45, we want to increase to 60 or 70%. 

I would like to make a trip through the smart city blueprint, that there are a few areas in the Beijing today, there is hiking Hong Kong.  To improve the mobile network coverage in the area.  To improve connection.  And also to promote culturalism.  We are also using artificial intelligence and robots in conserver our nature.  And to attend to the hill fire outbreaks with the AI to conserve the forest and country parts as soon as possible.  We are having others to conserve the nature conservation and we want to connect smart and browse.

Mentioned earlier, the climate action plan.  Here is in the upper left corner.  We will increase the Hong Kong net zero carbon power emission portion.  It currently is 25%, increase to 60 or 70% before 2045 and make Hong Kong carbon neutral. 

We have an overall strategy to make Hong Kong go carbon neutral.  That was cover eco-tourism, et cetera. 

As a policymaker I have to set the framework for the whole city.  I set up the highest oligomerized steering Committee and set it up with the other Ministers like the one on information and technology.  So we can promote the policies.

Then we have to decide budget.  This is the first of its kind in Hong Kong to assign a budget.  240 billion coming in to combat climate change and applications.  This is a budget item covered under the budget. 

[Audio skipping] and set up a virtual Committee, including [audio skipping] to promote lifestyle and tourism in the same time.  And public engagement is important.  We promote the local tourism and nature conservation.  So seeing and promoting this to the training, to have the relevant people to support low carbon lifestyle in industry.

Then technology and innovation.  And that is the global area to become neutral carbon in coming time.

We launch the Hong Kong plan in 2016.  That will cover part of the culturalism aspects to balance the nature conservation, column B and tourism.

Another initiative launched three years ago in the conservation department in Hong Kong.  That is to upkeep the remote countryside areas to be living.  Because it would be bad.  We want to conserve the architecture.  This will include local tourism.  We will have the rural landscape.  There is the consultation that we received last year to recognize how the local communities, Universities, military, and NGO are working together to conserve and promote tourism in the smart, low carbon manner.

That is the picture of the population.  10 years ago it was almost dying.  Now it is being revitalized that [audio skipping] as one of the places to go in Hong Kong. 

And the Government department is also working on the integration of the technologies.  It is one example of the KATO remote island.  There is a heritage trail that opened last year. 

We would like to try to integrate the smart technology along the trail.  And get information about the history, hurricanes, et cetera.  You can see the example that they are trying an old custom and cooperation.  This is the relation.  You can see along certain area on there.  If you go to this area, you will find you love it.

I would like to end with we launched a new business area, it is metropolis chart.  This is the Hong Kong territory, about a third of the total land area.  There are several areas.  It is a wetland and other country areas.  We will develop the whole area into innovation and technology hub and decide what to conserve in the wetland and integrate the area so we can make it highly livable, no carbon, smart and also enjoyable living environment.

So we are going to consider how to learn from you guys with tourism as an enjoyable activity. 

I would like to end here.  Involve the young people here.  And thank you.

     >> EDWARD CHOI: Thank you for your sharing.  I can see a lot of question coming in, in the chat box.  Feel free to ask any question during any time in the workshop.  Yeah. 

We will have a Q&A session after that.  At the same time I can see that those apart from Zoom chat we have the YouTube Live channel right now.  Participate here and YouTube will share your question as well.

So thank you for all the participants and thank you for all the guest speaker, for your insightful sharing.  I think we will move to the panel discussion to town how the stakeholders from different sector and regions can cooperation to Achieving Sustainable Local Tourism and Nature Conservation.

May I ask Edmon, please, as you mentioned in opening speech, combating illegal trade in wildlife is a major issue.  In an organization working globally in trade on wild animals and plants in the complex diversity conservation and Sustainable Development.  It is a study, published, combat little wildlife crime links to the Internet.  Global trends in China experience.

Like the how China, Kenya, U.S., and several key international associations have wildlife crime, there is wildlife cybercrime is not a category in its own right in international.  And national legislation.  Related tells and law enforcement are not comprehensive or targeted.  From your point of view what is are the steps for taking measures, and how can the technical community in public and private sector address for illegal trade and how it links to the Internet? 

     >> Edmon Chung:  Good question. The first thing is probably awareness.  The community, particularly when we talk about ISP and hosting and platform providers are simply this wildlife trade has not been on their radar screen. 

     If you walk around IGF, there would be talk about cybersecurity and talk about privacy and lot of talk about child sexual abuse material.  Protecting the children.  However, the wildlife trade issue is not a high priority issue. 

     I remember us bringing this up a few years ago, consistently bringing the topic to discussion.  The awareness is low and the sense of urgency is low.  Reality is that because of the illegal wildlife trade, including some wildlife, illegal activities that are related to tourism is on the rise.  It was on the rise before the pandemic.  With the pandemic, I guess it is good thing in that sense, if you will. 

     Before pandemic and because of the Internet, reasons behind it before that, you could buy a tiger from the US at the click of a button and the tiger is sent to your doorstep.  That is not conducive to tracking it down.  Stopping it.  What is alarming and surprising to a lot of people, what we think is the wildlife illegal trade is going down the drain, it is not.  It is a growing business.  Besides awareness, the main issue is to follow the money.  A couple of the successful approaches for addressing, for example, CSAM, the child sexual abuse material is to follow the money.  Whether it is the money to view it or attraction to the illegal materials, I think whether it is credit card companies or online payment platforms they need to have ways to tackle the illegal wildlife trade.  That is a main obstacle and following the money will be the most impactful approach. 

     >> EDWARD CHOI: I hear the keyword "money."  In terms of money it boosts the progress and development of the international technological advancement.  I want to know how Hong Kong government  engage problem stakeholder in promoting IND development and green R&D.  Mr. Wong, can you share apart from money, what is the current practice the Hong Kong Government is doing to boost the IND development alongside the green R&D stuff?  Thank you? 

     >> Kam‑sing Wong:  Can you hear me?  I think you ask a good question.  In Hong Kong, last term of Government we founded a new Bureau on innovation and technology, which has funding to promote innovation and technology.  And it is the accessibility in development is part of the funded or promoted items under the information and technology that is a general response.  In my presentation, mentioned the Group launched it last year.  Within that Group there are six major engineers, one is a Group, if you think about green tourism, in the six key areas, in those locations, I would share with you what the environment Bureau that is my Bureau is doing about that.  We are supporting or engaging the stakeholders.  For instance, three years ago.  We found an innovative office, the conservation office, that is to help revitalize remote villages.  Without intervention, they would be fading out, fading away.  We have policies and funding to support revitalization of the villages.  With the Conservation and promote tourism.  The response has been encouraging.  There are many stakeholder in Hong Kong to support that.  Universities, NGO, Groups, local villages are important players.  Local participants in Hong Kong are providing funding in addition to the [audio skipping] it is a good collaboration.  We had one of the highest awards in Asia to recognize our Hong Kong contribution.  As an example.

Another example is the Hong Kong geo pack.  Think of the character of 1 foot of territories.  And the idea is that we would like to conserve the geo pack landscape and culture and promote all of it.  Again, we have funding.  We have the staff to work with local people and integrate the technology as mentioned earlier in the applications.

This is considered one of the means to achieve our ends.  Our ends is to go forward with the biodiversity, cultural conservation, et cetera.

I would like to add we have [audio skipping] we have certain areas on that front [audio skipping] founded last year, it is getting very good response.  There are over 100 applications and we are going to start a second round of applications very soon. 

So in short, we are having different policies, funding, et cetera, to support the application technology to get our hands on Conservation, carbon neutrality, et cetera. 

     >> EDWARD CHOI: Thank you, I hope the second round of the green tech funding will be running smoothly.  I would like to ask Ms. Rui Cui, in your point of view, what youth organizations in China take in order to promote the concept of sustainable tourism and through education and different packages as you have done throughout the year with the Philippine based NGOs. 

     >> Rui Cui:  Thank you for the question.  First of all we need to increase awareness among youth.  Nowadays, youth know sustainable development goal but don't know specific subtitles of it.  They don't know like, yeah, I think gender equality, I know environment.  But how can I engage in it and implement some concrete steps and projects.

I think it is really important to let youth to know what are SDGs, not only the concept, but also like specific plans to make it come through.  We at Social Responsibility Practitioners, we have other companies with senses of responsibilities.  We are aiming to share more stories, experience, and analysis of Sustainable Development for youth and young professionals who are interested in this topic to learn more about what other practitioners all around the world are doing for a better sustainability.

And the second point, I would say that networking and promoting dialogues.

Especially like NGOs.  Like, we don't have enough resources sometimes and also our target audience are people who wishes to have more resources to leverage more power.

I think it would be crucial to provide more networking events or introduce more Professors or practitioners to them.  In order to guide them, become their mentor or maybe provide more like financial or labor, any kinds of support for youth that.  To implement their plans, there are Social Responsibility Practitioners not the only one.  There are other NGOs that are also doing something that is similar to us.  But if we separate each Group individually, then we can really utilize our resources efficiently.  So we need to promote the dialogues as well to let people know that what they're doing at the same time and promote collaboration between each organization. 

     >> EDWARD CHOI: Yeah.  I'm looking forward to collaboration like in the public sector and Private Sector in Mainland China to boost the progress of how the NGO leverage on various SDG related issues.

I have seen a lot of questions coming in the chat box chat box.  I would like to spend more time, allowing the guest speaker to respond to those very insightful question.

So I think we will wrap up.  Natalie, it is your turn, please. 

     >> Natalie:  Thank you for hosting this session.  Good afternoon honorable guest speakers and participants joining from around the world.  Thank you for sharing your insights at the IGF workshop addressing the critical linkage of Internet Governance and environment education.  It is our pleasure as a youth eco-tourism organization to host this.  With representatives from youth Group, Civil Society Government, businesses to imagine the future of digital education for nature conservation across Asia.

The COVID‑19 pandemic reinforced the role of differing transformation and bringing forward inequalities.  In IGF 2020, United Nations published the Roadmap for Digital Cooperation, which sets up the vision of connecting, respecting, and connecting all people online.  There is a report that says digital technology doesn't exist in a vacuum.  It has the potential for enormous change, but it can find fault lines and worsen inequalities. 

Under the planetary health, I.T.s use massive electricity and they will continue it contribute to climate change as already shared.  There are solutions to environmental challenges, building a carbon‑conscious Internet.  For the eco-tourism industry, virtual tours with increasingly provide a more holistic and fruitful user experience for tourists.  There are QR codes as shared around one village.  And enhance social inclusion to engage in leisure virtual activities such as those physically challenged.

Reflecting upon ourselves, our organization fair started as a digital platform to showcase eco-tourism sites in Hong Kong.  Using visualization to deepen our audiences understanding on the ecological, historical, and cultural background.

We are able to reach a much wider audience with the power of Internet.  Disseminating educational information, to the right audience with digital marketing.  There is so much potential in leveraging ICT for behavior change yet to be harnessed.

     >> EDWARD CHOI: Thank you, Natalie.  Under the pandemic there brought back to online, developing the virtual experience and thanking the user.  Our team of youth drives innovative solutions to enhance the educational effect of our initiatives.  And their voices should be elevated.  There, together with organizations here today, the environment Bureau of the Hong Kong Government, dot Asia, Social Responsibility Practitioners all serve as hybrid platform to nurture our next generation of environmental stewards.  Youth prototype on digital solutions we bear the responsibility to guide youth in the right direction and set boundary for Government Internet resources.  This includes data security and protection training.  For Government Internet resources. 

Evaluation of data and breaking out of echo chambers on social media platforms.  For us, sharing today, we realized the potential of digital technologies can be harnessed in collaborations and youth taking a more prominent world in the digital world from building start‑ups to gathering force for activist movements.  Echoing what Ms. Rui Cui said, helping a Philippine designed tourism package.

Users are the most vulnerable to misinformation, privacy breaching on the Internet.  Stakeholders who should never be missed in the formulation of digital policies.  It is only when Government sits down and listens to youth and Civil Society members we can collaborate together and create nature conservation.  I founder said being human in a digital world is about building a digital world for humans.  As a youth representative, I wish all of us can continue to unleash the digital solution for nature conservation and eco tourism.  We wish to join hand with you to effect change.

Now, time for the Q&A.  May I invite our online moderator to facilitate the session, please? 

     >> Jia:  Thank you, we have some questions from the online audience in the chat box.  I would like to share this with.  You the first question is for Mr. Kam‑sing Wong.  Justina has asked which of the renewable source of energy is the most effective in Hong Kong? 

     >> Kam‑sing Wong:  It is similar to other city space like Singapore, with the limited land and space and potential.  We don't have hydro or geothermal, but based on the latest environmental, we have key areas, one is solar, second is wind, and then waste of energy.  We're literally waiting.

According to the action plan, we're looking for technologies like using renewable energy sources elsewhere and putting it into hydrogen to be transported to Hong Kong.  That is a renewable energy to supply to cities like Hong Kong so we can go towards carbon neutrality.  Thank you. 

     >> Wenhui Jia:  Thank you, I feel like there is a lot of information that the audience should know about Hong Kong. 

The second question is for Mr. Chung.  It is asked how do we promote the Internet in the rural area in developing countries. 

     >> Edmon Chung:  Good question.  This is the question the whole Internet has been grappling with since the very beginning, actually.  I would tackle it a couple of ways.  First, I think there has been a lot of discussion about whether free Internet is necessarily good Internet.  Whether more connectivity means better, you know better to the people.  The fact I ask the questions, the answer in my heart is no.

I think it is important to build up the capacity in the local community free Internet say from, you know funding elsewhere, going in might feel like it is good, but it could really, you know kill off the nascent industry in the local area because the localized piece might be small now, but if free Internet comes in, their business will be gone.  Once the business environment is gone, it is difficult to build that back up again.

I think when you think about funding, which is important, it needs to build up the industry locally, rather than replace them with free services.

And also this needs to be really open services.  If it is free service only for a particular platform, say a donor, whoever that donor is.  And considers only part of the Internet is accessible.  That is not good connectivity.  On the top tick related to our topic today, I don't know whether I can still share?  Oh, yes I can.

It is important to think about the energy efficiency and stuff.  Earlier, I mentioned an important aspect.  We looked at the efficiency of the bandwidth and connectivity as well.

And in the earlier session, another colleague from A4AI, an affordable Internet initiative, it looks at the situation whereby when you think about carbon emission, what is reality is that when you build the infrastructure, the basic infrastructure actually occupies more part of the carbon footprint.  The more people you can service.  In fact, the average carbon emission per user goes down.

This is one thing that is important for our topic today.  So when you think about Internet access, you have to think about the infrastructure development that supports more users.  The other thing to think about is sharing the infrastructure.  Just like I mentioned the efficiency and effectiveness of the infrastructure of the network is important, sharing that network is also important.  I'm just pulling this presentation from someone else here.

Here's some recommendations for a greener Internet that as you deploy Internet connectivity to developing Regions.

One thing to remember is that when you talk about the rural areas, you also ‑‑ it also means that electricity is difficult to get there as well.  Today a lot of the immediate thinking is you pull in diesel power generators to power the towers, to create and provide connectivity.  But I think we need to rethink that.  Even for, especially for developing areas, think about renewable energy, think about solar energy, think about hydro, window, power.  You said to power the infrastructure that goes into the rural areas.  There is no reason why that cannot be done.  A lot of the ‑‑ I think as we think about how to deploy Internet into the rural areas and developing areas, we should also bring the eco‑friendly Internet, you know, that concept into that deployment.  I guess those are really my points.  I think that it is not just about, you know, providing, you know, free connectivity, it is about developing the industry.  As you develop the industry, the power that powers the Internet is the critical part.  We should think about neutralizing the carbon or renewable energy sources to power the network. 

     >> Wenhui Jia:  Thank you for your answers.  The next question is for Rui Cui as you have other mentioned the COVID pandemic influenced the operation of SRP.  How can SRP use the devices to help the development of your organization? 

     >> Rui Cui:  This is not only for Social Responsibility Practitioners but other NGO and big companies and Government to think about since we find that maybe coronavirus will last for like even longer time, especially the new variant is coming up right now.  How to better build up your organization and promote your business with Internet.  That is a really important question to think about. 

For us, we are trying to use more online working platform like Microsoft team.  Like lark and face you and other working platforms that have lower cost where they're totally free for NGOs.  Trying to use the platforms to increase the effectiveness and efficiency of our daily work.  And also to keep communicating.  Especially if for SRP and other NGOs with more volunteers around the world, time difference is an important question.  We try to use multiple chatting or texting apps to keep in touch.  But also using email to like write more formal messages to our clients.

I think choosing an important online platform for collaborating and working is important.  Secondly, I would say social media.  Like for SRP, we have multiple social media accounts.  Like Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, so on.

These are good portals for audience to know more about your organization.  And you should try your best to keep updating your latest news and articles.  At the same time, if it is possible to have some small gathering, I suggest you have offline events at the same time.  Because it will be more real to communicate with people. 

Since take Social Responsibility Practitioners, like, there is someone in the Europe area and someone like me in North America, like New York.  It is easier to organize small gathering and events based on our current location.

I would say digital methods are going to be a huge part of our future work.

I just hope a little offline event can be engaged to promote better efficiency.  Thank you. 

     >> Wenhui Jia:  Thank you, Rui Cui.  The next question is for Ms. Natalie.  We have seen the lost question from Ms. Crystal she asked a question with a case in Greece.  Ms. Natalie, are there ways of having sustainable tourism without excluding low‑income people from the tourist areas? 

     >> Natalie:  Thank you for the question.  I think this request be addressed by one of the best case study studies where we bring back Indigenous villages, to the village with providing examples, cooking haka meals and a farm.  This is the branding and marketing to provide to local farmers is a good way to bring back local farming and agriculture to life and create extra income stories to villages.

Another perspective is when we are able to develop a place for tourism, a case study in Hong Kong, there are more tourist, the villages had higher bargaining power to improve some of the village infrastructure such as the peer.  The moderators can adjust the cost to improve life.  There are two ways to approach it.  Mr. Wong can add on to the question to assist and include local visits when planning for revitalization projects in Hong Kong.

     >> Kam‑sing Wong:  Thank you for that.  I would like to add the conservation office.  It serves multiple purposes including the involved topic while supplies can [audio skipping] and remote villages. 

I went to Taiwan the other day.  I stayed there last week.  I encountered the schoolteacher taking students from the western part of the area to the eastern most part and understand the forming and relegate.  That is not usual in Hong Kong, that is so sad, our intervention is welcome.  People with different ability can enjoy Hong Kong countryside and remote villages.  It is mentioned by Natalie.  You have introduction.  And people can come to the village, if they're interested in farming, we farming and other activity.  We have multiple purposes.  For instance, if we make lives easier to consider how to work on that. 

If a remote village and infrastructure like Internet access and green age, et cetera, that is the conservation office.  Aside them they're funding to work on the remote villages.  We need to prioritize.  Funding is not limited.  We have the Committee and also Government come together.  Multiple interactions and interventions.  People on the innovation technology Conservation, engineering, have to work together to use the resources involved in the most effective and smart way.  Thank you. 

     >> Wenhui Jia:  Thank you, everyone for your sharing.  We have run out of time little bit.  So I think this pretty much what we have from the Q&A session.  Edward, I will hand the host back to you now. 

     >> EDWARD CHOI: Yeah, not many words to say.  I would like to give I great thanks to all of you joining on‑site and online.  It is indeed a very valuable utility for the youth organization alongside Government, technician, the businesses come together to find a solution.  And I hope that after today's session you will have more knowledge and experience regarding how we can utilize the digital infrastructure in order for better nature conservation as along ‑‑ as well as promoting sustainable local tourism, thank you for participating in today's workshop.  I hope you have a decent weekend.  Thank you.