>> We all live in a digital world.

>> We all want to trust.

>> And be trusted.

>> We all despise control and.

>> Desire freedom.

>> We are all united.

>> We all live in a digital world.  We all need it to be open and safe.  We all want to trust.

>> And to be trusted.

>> We all despise control.

>> And desire freedom.

>> We are all united.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Good afternoon and welcome to the panel discussion, business academia collaboration, new skills gateway and innovation nest.  This gives an opportunity to meet one of the most talented pupils and students at the best technical schools and universities in Poland and showcase their talent and exceptional inventions.  We will try to exhibit how such innovative minds of young people and their ideas can be developed and enhanced with the support of leading universities and companies.  Our aim is to give insight into the role played by universities and industry in nurturing the ideas.  I am pleased to introduce the distinguished panelists.  Professor Darius Mrozek in the university of technology.

>> Darius Mrozek: Welcome.  Nice to see you.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Global head of university relations.  Welcome.

>> Natasha Eckert: Thanks for having me.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Business development manager.

>> Ewa Mikos Romanowicz: Hello.  Nice to see you.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Intern in industrial automation, student at the university of technology and at the Warsaw school of economics.  Welcome.

>> Jakub Ciemiega: Good afternoon, everyone.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Head of IT lab, assistant at the university of technology.

>> Welcome, everybody.

>> It's a pleasure.

>> Mayor: Thomas, welcome.  Patrick, welcome.

>> Hello, everybody will.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Hello.  I would also like to send my warmest greetings to Donald who couldn't with be us but who is the mentor of the computer science club.  I will moderate today's discussion.  First to get a better understanding of the topic I will start by showing a short video showing the latest invention created by our artists.  Let's see how the satellite works.  The invention which was awarded first place in the polish finals of the European space agency competition concert, 2020.  If you could give me a moment, please.

>> I'm afraid we can't hear the audio from the video.

>> Tomasz Kawalec: Yes.  I don't hear audio.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Just a moment, please.  Okay.  Again.

>> Hello.  We designed and built a functional mini satellite for the CANSAT 2019 concert.  The contest is a competition held by ESA from a science center on the national stage.  The main objective is to create a concise mini satellite designed to be carried 3,000 meters up into the air and using a parachute using a specific mission.

>> Our satellite consists of numerous subsystems which are capable of taking measurements and controlling its position.  We used the GPS module to estimate the position of our satellite.  The data can be used by different algorithms.  The main distinguishing feature of our satellite is the flight of target in the wind.  It is possible from the censors and algorithms.  Besides them we have to use some kind of controlled surfaces.  Because of it, we decided to use a special type of parachute.  Thanks to its design tabulated of controlling our concepts, flight, direction and speed.  Thanks to special construction of our satellite and their flexible design, we can develop the project.  We use packages ‑‑

>> We spend a lot of time on this project in our homes and in the field requiring many tests.  We carry out our satellite and desired object.  In both cases we used it to remote our consult.

>> In order for the consult to fly to the destination, it needed an out of pilot guidance that would control it that would safely take it to the target.  The tests were more than we were aiming to do in the field.  Because of that, we designed testing capable of submitting various variables such as wind conditions and distance and speed and GPS.  And asked to create highly complex parts such as the flight.  We won the contest in first place on the national stage.  We are happy with the outcome of the contest because of all the experience we were able to gather.  Throughout this time we were programming on many platforms, aerodynamics, product planning.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: If you can tell us a bit about how you came up with the idea of creating the satellite and did any company provide support to make this a reality?

>> We came up with the idea of a gliding satellite quite spontaneously.  We got together and brainstormed the ideas we had.  It turned out to be the best one at the time.  So we didn't really exactly get an inspiration from any specific company, but there were many businesses and persons that helped us to achieve our goal.  For example, our main sponsor and we also had a founding campaign which collected over $2,000.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you.  And how time consuming was it to take part in such a project?

>> We worked three hours per week in our work station and if we have work to do, we would spend up to around five hours a week except that we spent many hours in the field and we work a lot at home.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you.  I assume participating in this didn't just involve building the satellite.  Were there other activities you had to complete?

>> Tomasz Kawalec: With the competition, we created a contest.  We processed a similar real space project.  That means we had to compile a set of reports in English describing all their progress.  It also means we had ‑‑ that also means we had to find the funding for our projects.  That was the motivation behind our campaign.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you very much.  Now we move on to the second video explaining how this work.  To what extent collaboration with the university helped you to create your invention?  What about your experience in cooperation with companies?

>> Hello.  We cooperate for many years.  When we get this grant from the European Union, we track their offer until we sell the component.  They offer to help.  They come to us.  They program and expand what we can do with this and show our possibilities throughout this single platform.  We have tests that we have and the students teach how to program.  We also cooperate with CNC because we are in medical departments so we have many CMC matchings, so we cooperate with American CNC solutions.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you very much.  Now let us watch how the problem of the dog named Dexter was solved.

>> Smart collar, a gadget that keeps your dog safer than ever during your walks.  It's a GPS device that lets you find your pet in case they're seeking adventures or in fear of some danger.  When it happens, all you have to do is just click a button and the smart collar mobile app and after a while it will navigate you straight to where your pet is.  Simple, isn't it?  It works for over 20 hours after a single charge.  You can use it to find your bike or a scooter too.  Smart collar consists of a GPS module, a telephone module for a SIM card, a custom printed circuit board with a programmed microcontroller all powered by a battery and placed in a 3D printed cloche with an LED to help you find your dog in the dark.  The color can be turned off only through the app, so don't worry if your dog tries to do it manually.  That's all for the prototype.  Wait for an upgraded compact and easy to use version of smart collar also for pets.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Do you think that participation in the contest for young talents in electronics will help you in your future career?

>> I think that the knowledge and experience I acquired through participating in this contest will for sure help me in both my university life and in my professional life just as it helps me in my current life as a student.  Obviously participating in this competition, I had an opportunity to work on my technical skills such as circuit design in the programming as well as some other skills like team work, writing skills and presentation skills.  Because not only the design has to be as is best, but the project has to be well described by an oral presentation and the written description that was quite new for me because usually I would just do the project in my room, say well done and let it be.  All the problems we encountered while building this project, and there are many of them, made us gain some knowledge that is not supposed to be learned by reading books or studying theory, but has to be learned by practice, by working on something tangible.  And to make this project different from my previous ones, we had some deadlines which trust me changed us a lot.  I've met a number of others with electronics to exchange my experience with.  It's needless to say how significant networking is nowadays.

Finally, the competition made someone other than Dexter the dog appreciate the smart collar and this is what I think is good for young people who can be creative in a number of possible ways.  Just some goals and feedback to help them carry on.  Instagram thank you.  Last but not least, let's see the fourth invention, a unique user designed for people who want to visit a lovely place in Poland from Google code in 2019.  Currently there are over 70 places with description and location.  There is a map and history section.  The app is used not only for tourists, but also those who can see data of the current state or events taking place in the area.  Thanks to the cooperation of the local government, a program is being created for those who have discovered the most places and encourage them to learn more about where they visit.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: How do you see your future path in the IT field?

>> To be honest, I don't know.  I like to think that the future for me is now.  I'm just after high school, but I already work as a software developer and I am studying computer seasons at the university of technology.  Working as a program manager was my goal ever since I learned programming and came to like it.  IT is something that's really big and it's growing really fast and accelerating, so I can't really say where I'll be in a few years, but I'm happy with my current situation of where I am currently.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: How did you come up with the idea of creating the app?

>> This is a good question.  It's accompanied by a good story I always like to tell when somebody asks me this question.  There was in 2016 and I was working in a park in my village which was mentioned on the video.  I remember seeing an old shabby stable with a map of the park.  It was not encouraging to learn more about those who came to visit, so I thought it would be great if somebody created a more modern solution to the problem.  For example, a mobile application.  After a while I thought that I should ‑‑ I should do it myself.  I have no experience at the time, but I learned how to code from the Internet and I created the app by myself.  I got all the information about many other places and after a year I released the first version of the application to the group.  I also wrote to a few local newspapers about the application and thanks to them I got a few ‑‑ I got the first users and the posted on the app store and this was a really great empowering feeling to see that people use what you have created and that they enjoy it and they are even learning about the place you're living, about the place you love, and other people thanks to your work will learn about this place.  It's a really great feeling.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: And initially you focused on the area, but what's next?

>> My initial aim was to create a simple app for people, but after some time I realized that this approach can be expanded to support more videos not only in one village.  So for the past year I was developing the application, the simple app into a project for managing tourist information of multiple regions.  It's still pretty much a work in progress, but I'm studying at my own pace developing the software and also at the same time delivering data required to fill this.  I have to gather information about places and their locations.  I have history articles and stuff like that and that's what I'm focusing on now.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: So you got a big amount of data.  What's the key?

>> The simplest thing I always do is just Google when I want to add someplace to the application.  I just Google it.  And when I ‑‑ this works to be honest for the 90% of cases.  But when I don't find the information on Google, I ask my dad who is a forester and he knows the area pretty well.  I'm sorry?

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Can I ask persons joining to mute while he is speaking.

>> I will continue.  I always ask my dad about some particular place and he often gives me enough information to fill my gaps in the knowledge that I have and to add to the database.  But when I don't, when even my dad doesn't have enough knowledge, I go read books about the history of my village which I came to have for all the years of gathering information for the application.  I've also met a few very interesting people.  There were a few situations like I knew that some particular person had information about someplace.  And these people are often elderly people.  So I just wrote an email to the person and then we met and we talked for hours about history and the history of my region in general.  I really am fond of this.  That's my process for gathering data.  But I will have to find a better way to, if I want to support more regionals.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you.  We keep our fingers crossed for you.  Thank you all for those very inspiring stories.  It was an inspiring part of this meeting.  I'm looking forward to the second part.  Such talented students deserve the best learning environment possible.  It can be achieved through support delivered by good universities and access to best practices offered by reliable business entities.  So now let us listen to how the collaboration framework between students, academia and business works and should work.  Let me start with the professor.  How do you assess the current level of cooperation between universities and business?  Should such cooperation be evened?

>> Darius Mrozek: I will say that the current level of the cooperation between the universities and businesses is quite good.  It's for sure much better than it used to be 20 years ago in our country, so I remember when I couldn't find a job being a student or a part‑time job.  Now it's completely different.  I would say that the corporation is implemented right now within multiple levels of marketable planes, let's say.  For example, companies that want to accompany students in their heart from the early stage of their careers.  They promote themselves in the university buildings.  They announce some internships.  For example, to give the students better experience and much more skills when they finish the study.  They also provide some lectures and present modern technologies for students, for example, to show them what is important for people at this moment in the market and to motivate them more to acquire the skills.

Sometimes they can even take part in some regular lectures, guest lectures and that's also very interesting for students and for teachers as well.  And apart from the students and the education, some companies also implement research and development projects which is also important.  And it also heightens up the researchers and the companies and gives some benefit for both the university and business.  Within this cooperation, usually the university delivers something, delivers some problems that should be solved and the academic part is responsible for the innovation which is important for the company because the company has to compete in the market, right?  So that's an important part.

If it should be different, I would say that while there is always a place to deepen between the corporation and the university, between the academia and the industry.  And from an educational perspective, I always encourage the companies to be present at the university and to be visible for the students.  For example, as a ‑‑ for the corporation and the development of my faculty which is electronic control and computer science, the fields are very popular in our country at the moment, in Poland.  I try to mediate the corporation between the companies and our faculty and sometimes the whole university.  So I show the companies how the current corporation may look like, what are the levels or models of the corporation to make it working properly or to make it efficient?  And what are the investments?  What investments are we doing to strengthen the cooperation within the particular fields because the companies can be in different fields.  They can be interested in different levels of the corporation.

Of course, still I wish the corporation can be deep ended and some ideas that appear at the university that are invited here, can be transferred to the industry much quicker.  So as a university, we try to make a step by organizing some meetings for the companies, by having the specialty founded center for the innovation and technology transfer that works at our university to simplify the deployment of the idea, to simplify the commercialization of the ideas, and to help researchers to find their partners in business.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you very much.  I would love to ask you more questions, but time is running.  I will now move on.  Business helps to translate science into innovative product solutions for the benefit of people in society.  What do you think about the role played by business leaders in shaping students as future leaders of digital market?

>> Ewa Mikos Romanowicz: Thank you very much for the question.  I hope you can hear me.  What is the role?  The basis for the definition, how is the role?  How is our wish to become specific players in the daily life of the students?  The condition is that relations with the universities, with the teachers and with the students, it is not that evolved because I am responsible for corporation within the university that I create this and say okay, we have to go this way.  And then I set the right strategy.  The right strategy, the right attitude is to become prepared to become a mentor.  We would like to stimulate the creativity of the student and we offer to them the engineering tools.  We share with them our knowledge.  And then we try to support them to develop new ideas, to develop new solutions, to develop new projects and products, but we avoid the situation and reduce our role to become simply a teacher.  It is not the case.  We would like to become a mentor and to give them some tools to ‑‑ we offer, of course, different workshops and webinars.  We try to be a part of the study.  For this reason, we welcome the idea or proposal made by the technology university, they offered to us to appoint an ambassador.  It will be a student who supports us to become visible and to create a link to other students.  So I think it's the right approach and a step we would like to follow.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you very much.  Based on your experience today, who benefits from whom?  If the answer is going to be that business is the beneficiary, then I will ask about some practical examples from your experience.

>> Natasha Eckert: Thanks very much for the question.  I would say the best case is always if all the involved stakeholders benefit from the relationship, so might it be the students, might it be academic start‑up, might it be the professors, but also for sure industry because I think everybody who knows, and I think professor, you have mentioned it, in industry we have to make money at the end of the day.  So academia often can be our playground, but in most of the cases when our colleagues are also the researchers and then assign some research projects together with a university, they certainly want to get some ‑‑ see some output at the end or at least intellectual property that they can then use or license in their product portfolio.

I would see they have run a partnership program with intellectual partners, so we drive innovation ecosystem approach.  And from the beginning, I think we have always seen university industry collaboration as a kind of strategic trustful partnership, so academia is the kind of supplier providing knowledge or providing research results that they can ten put into product or into business.  We really try to shape together some research and to really tackle the big challenges in the world, because I think we are all aware that the challenges we are facing at the moment can't be just worked on by one single stakeholder.  Industry is not able to solve climate change, academia not either, so we have more and more to collaborate and to network to really come up with good results.  What I really liked, professor, you mentioned the industry certainly can become more visible on campus.  I think this is something that we try also with our ecosystem approach so that we really shape co‑location or you call it co‑creation, so where we invite students and invite professor, but where we also invite our industry customers to, for example, work together in the smart factory where we have hardware on site, software on site, where the students can really just work on cases where they see also see the benefit they provide from a research side.

For example, at Georgia Tech in the U.S. we initiate or we opened up a center for digital twin for buildings, so really a research group together with people from Siemens, they tried to develop and design more smart, more sustainable buildings.  The data, they get the data from the buildings on campus and they also learn how to ‑‑ whatever they learn using artificial intelligence, machine learning, algorithms to improve the overall handling of data.  So I think those things is something, what we thrive.  We also I think ‑‑ an excellent example where you could see that Siemens provide hardware and software for academic start‑ups so that they can really work already with professional tools where they also get some training, some mentorships from Siemens.  I would say maybe examples where you see okay, the students can learn on re‑use cases.  Also for the professors it's highly interesting to have the real data to work on whether they can get "Xs" but also put on ‑‑ attract students to work on those more applied research topics, but also the industry profits are benefits at the end of the day by getting results that then can transfer into practice.  But we also get access to the top talents.  You get so much creativity out of this.  And having people that have worked more than 20 years or 30 years, you can imagine that it's always great to have the greater fresh ideas and get ideas from the younger generation who maybe have a different perspective on mobility.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you very much.  Now let's hear a student's perspective.  You are a student working on your engineer thesis and an employee in the leading engineering company.  If you can please tell us how you established your cooperation with the current employer.

>> Jakub Ciemiega: Yes, of course.  Good afternoon again, ladies and gentlemen.  So my relationship with Rexroth started over a year ago and I was doing my second year at university and I was just looking for an internship in the industry.  I found my current employer on one of the job platforms, so one could say it was there where our relationship started.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: And whose initiative it was to start this cooperation?

>> Jakub Ciemiega: Over a year ago I had to withhold my internship because I participated in the program in Vienna, but even while I was still abroad, I kept thinking about my engineer thesis.  And about my internship and my time at Rexroth, especially since I knew that it was and still is very common and encouraged at the company for students with their internships to create and work on their engineers or master's thesis.  So it was my initiative to contact the employer and to suggest that we extend our cooperation and I work on my thesis, but I will say it is also highly encouraged from their side and then we also discussed a lot of details together, like the scope and the time frame of the project.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: And given your academic background, how did the reality of working in business match‑up with your preconceived notions and expectations?

>> Jakub Ciemiega: Thank you very much for this question, because I think it's a question that all students and future students probably ask themselves.  Like is the stuff we learn at the university really useful in the industry?  So I would say that some of the technologies that are thought of the university are used in the industry, but some are a little obsolete and that's why I think it's also very important for students to get a chance to actually experience working out there in the real world.  And it was a very interesting experience for me to actually see the process of creating real industrial applications during my internship.  But what I also find very important and kind of surprising is how complex and how to put it simply hard it is to create real world applications just because at a university students usually get a pretty simple problem to solve, like for example, we get a task to program a controller, to write a program or to do some experiments, but in the real world there are so many different departments and people that need to be involved, like for ordering parts, searching through documentation, and all the things that need to be done like that.  So generally speaking, I would say it's harder than I expected to create real life industrial application, but then it is well worth the efforts since both from my perspective it's just possible to create something real.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you.  Now let's get back to the professor.  How do you see a perfect business academia framework of cooperation?

>> Darius Mrozek: Well, I would say that with the industry, the zero revolution that happens right now, universities provide ‑‑ I believe they provided the intellectual potential which is attractive for the industry in business.  And from my point of view, the potential will be better if we can cooperate together.  Sometimes it can be difficult, but we have to accept different ways of working and adjust others for sure.  So I could say that as I mentioned, companies should be visible at the university.  They could have some invited lectures for students and show what business requires from students.  It is something important because some technologies that are provided at the university are quite modern.  Some of them may be obsolete, but still the industry will show what skills are required and what knowledge is very important for students to know.  So students can profile their future education by choosing some elective courses that should be, for example, quite profitable for their future careers, right?  And for the things that they plan to do in the future.  So companies could also influence the teaching program somehow, but by advising of some changes or some evolutions.

For example, several companies have their representatives in our faculty council at the moment and sometimes we have very interesting talks during our monthly meetings to ‑‑ about different things, how to arrange particular things.  Thou arrange, for example, the teams within some projects that the students implement.  What stills they should have, right?  How this should ‑‑ how these things should work in order that they can communicate in a proper way.  The companies should provide also some internships as we hear.  Some topics for the bachelors degrees, some topics for the master degrees.  They could provide some mentoring, some grants or awards or I know some of them can even provide some scholarships for the best students.  So the highest level that we imagined, and we had also this kind of examples is that the companies have also some sponsor laboratories at the university which this is the higher level, the highest level of the influence in teaching because students can learn particular technologies within this stuff.  This is not only the problem or the thing that the company places the grant, the logo type of the company on the wall, right?  It provides the technology.  It provides the equipment and the students can learn with it and the students can learn that the real problems and the students can even solve the problems that are defined by the company by providing some solutions, like Natasha said.  They have open minds.  They have different attitudes.  They have young minds, young brains that will bring some new, some modern approaches to solving problems.  That would be great.

Of course, in terms of the research and cooperation with the researchers, it could be great if the companies can also let the universities prepare solutions for the city as well.  For example, some companies can treat the university as a kind of outsource research lab.  Because even some of them, they don't have the research lab in their companies.  They are too small for this.  They can have this, for example, as an outsourcing.  This is what we are trying to implement with some funds by the national institutions as well.  If the company comes and it requires or needs some research to be done and it hires the researchers to provide the innovation, for example, the artificial intelligence that we know for many years, right?  And now we have the skills and the knowledge which can be implemented and deployed in the industry.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you.  Wonderful.  Madam, is there a tried and tested method on how to reach out to the best students and make sure that they will get attracted by the business leaders?

>> Ewa Mikos Romanowicz: Thank you for the question but before I start to answer the question, I would like to thank the professor because all the perspective and expectations with us is know inspiration for us.  It's inspiration and support to choose the working method because it is not possible to answer the question if we don't ask on who we would like to address our offer.  Therefore, we start ‑‑ before the student becomes a student, we try to catch them.  For instance, this competition called electronics, how to make life easier is a project conducted together with the universe.  This competition works not only for the region and we attract many visitors from all visitors from Poland and accept the level of resolve of the product solutions prevented during this competition ‑‑ therefore, I think this divides.  Then we try to be visible among the students and try to offer formula of programs of cycle of workshops, we try to show what is really the matter what is behind the industrial revolution, what is ‑‑ we try to make this attractive in a very attractive way and of course such interaction is also separate for us to choose the right tools because the world is changing and sometimes it is not the point only of contest but also of the communication channel.  So it's very challenging, but we try to talk to each other, to hear each other, and to adjust our way of acting.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you.  We only have 10 minutes.  So I move on quickly.  What are the motivation and expectations of talented students entering the market?

>> Natasha Eckert: I would say expectations have changed a bit.  Getting back to my own study time, I think I spent a couple of let's say months working for companies really standing in front of a copy machine.  I got good money.  It was a bit boring.  It was not very creative, but I think a lot of us, we did it, and a lot of companies offer those kinds of jobs to students.  This has changed completely.  I'm really frankly speaking I'm very happy that the students are expecting really more challenging engagement in industry and Jakub you mentioned I want to study and learn something useful for industries, something that can be used afterwards.  On the other hand, I think what industry also wants from the students is they are strong in let's say solving complex challenges.  You have a strong theoretical background.  You can challenge industry.  You can challenge also existing successful business because companies are sometimes really a bit slow in let's say evolving, so I think this is something where I appreciate the kind of assistance you learn in a study and what I really can only ‑‑ let's tell the students, so if you, for example, study engineering, and please, do not only focus on engineering.  Because what industry really needs, we need such a broad skill set.  So try also to focus ‑‑ let's say learn a bit of coding.  Just learn languages.  Learn intercultural skills.  Also whatever ‑‑ focus a bit or try to also engage with more ethical questions, because if it comes, for example, to challenges like autonomous driving, it's not a technical issue.  It's a legal issue.  It's an ethical issue.  This is really where I would say please try to keep your ‑‑ also your pathways open as you can.  Try to get engaged maybe with a startup, with an NGOW a company.  From the siemens side, we have trainee programs.  We have internships.  We have industrial Ph.D. program where the students are employed on the Siemens side and are challenged and supervised from a professor.

You already have mentioned it, we have other forms of mentorships, but also shadowing, for example.  In the meantime, students from our strategic partner universities doing some shadowing with a top manager or a researcher where you really get a flavor and idea of how it is to be whatever a top manager in a company.  So use as most you can get and try to get this international outreach, because you can imagine that in the past we have checked.  In the meantime, this culture is changing, so we are not as focused on CVs.  We really want to meet the students.  We need proactive students who really also want to work for an industry and who are curious.  You are the beginning.  You are so fresh.  You even can criticize us in industry telling us what have you done in this way so far?  So I think this kind of openness, but also productivity is something I really love to see and then also can tell you just do it.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you very much.  And before we finish our very interesting discussion, let us watch a video on the factory of the future.

How does your engineer thesis relate to the production line we just saw?

>> Jakub Ciemiega: It is directly related to the production line that we just saw in the video.  My task is to create a new station that will be robots to perform a new task on the production line using the new products from Rexroth control "X" automation platform and also some solutions connected to the industry 4.0 like the protocol, remote access.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Is there a chance this will be developed thanks to your cooperation with Rexroth?

>> Jakub Ciemiega: Thank you for this question.  Maybe not a new project because these are actually developed at our headquarters, but I would say a new innovative application because innovation can be completely new technology or device, but it can also be a new employment and connection of already existing technologies and I think in light of the latter definition I would say we are definitely creating an innovate solution since we are using technologies like the new automation platform, control "X" automation, the protocol and the other tools that are mentioned and I condition attest that these solutions haven't been used together yet, but it's something widely spoken about.  I tried to Google it multiple times.  Hopefully my cooperation will enable us to offer these kinds of solutions to the customers in the near future.

>> Aleksandra Musielak: Thank you very much.  Thank you all for the fruitful debate today and thank all of you who watched us today.  I take pride that the panel presented the innovative technological solutions developed by young polish students and pupils.  I hope our debate contributed to the better understanding of how young generation can subscribe to this business academia collaboration and can thrive and expand their achievements.  Thank you for being with us.  Bye.